bad parts of Tulsa (Okay: low income, section 8, crime)

[txgirl0919]

can anyone give me the places in Tulsa that are unsafe? I know there are bad parts in Tulsa just not sure which parts. thanks

[sgrizzle]

[Jammie]

What happened to 74136? A few years ago that area seemed to be one of the safest.

[Goodpasture]

In an effort to mainstream the low income population, they put a lot of section 8 and Oklahoma Housing Authority housing in that area. This tends to bring in people who are basically broke, which encourages drug dealing and petty theft. Other acts of violence are associated with this population profile as well.

This, to me, is typical of halfassed social engineering. The problems with that group of people is not the area in which they live, but the lack of social programs, such as education and training, that give people like that hope for a better tomorrow. But the powers that be seem to think just putting "have-nots" in a neighborhood with "haves" will accomplish the same thing.

[Synopsis]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

But the powers that be seem to think just putting "have-nots" in a neighborhood with "haves" will accomplish the same thing.

Good point. More is needed than just "mingling." I'm not a big fan of government programs, if only because I realize the government is not very good at administering things. The fact that they just want to move these folks into more affluent areas is representative of government inefficiency; just throwing people together ain't gonna do the trick.

It's interesting that you bring this up; a local talk show down here brought up this very topic this morning.

I don't know what the answer is to this, but obviously something else needs to be done.

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

I don't know what the answer is to this, but obviously something else needs to be done.

The solution is obvious, but it requires a commitment most politicians won't face. It is called EDUCATION.....but to he|| with fixing schools, hiring teachers at a professional wage, or providing free rides to qualified post secondary students. They should pull themselves up by their bootstraps.....lets punish the kids because their mom's and absentee dad's are druggies and limited in their expectations. Better we should spend $10,000,000,000 a month building schools for Iraqi's to blow up. After all an A/C system and new roof in north Tulsa is a waste of money.

[Jammie]

Kinda sad, really. That was a very nice area.

You've just got to wonder~in the past, very few people were educated and yet they didn't resort to crime and drugs and violence. I wonder why that has changed in today's world.

[Annemieke Roell]

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

The solution is obvious, but it requires a commitment most politicians won't face. It is called EDUCATION.....but to he|| with fixing schools, hiring teachers at a professional wage, or providing free rides to qualified post secondary students. They should pull themselves up by their bootstraps.....lets punish the kids because their mom's and absentee dad's are druggies and limited in their expectations. .

That is part of the solution.

We (menaing society and the school system) should also stop coddling kids for the simple reason they have a lousy home life. Schools and teachers should have the ability to discipline students and give them the backbone their parents aren't able to.

Also bring back school uniforms. Doesn't have to be an expensive uniform. Blue jeans (that fit, not hanging down their knees) or blue skirts with a white dress shirt.

Lets get some discipline and structure into those kids' lives.

[Bill236c]

Originally Posted by Jammie

Kinda sad, really. That was a very nice area.

You've just got to wonder~in the past, very few people were educated and yet they didn't resort to crime and drugs and violence. I wonder why that has changed in today's world.

You mean before drugs were illegal?

[Jammie]

Originally Posted by Bill236c

You mean before drugs were illegal?

Okay, let me rephrase that~They didn't resort to crime and violence.