I Call Peoria The Grandson Of Tulsa Oklahoma Do You Agree With Me... (Broken Arrow: appointed)

[Howest2008]

I called PEORIA ILLNOIS the grandson of TULSA OKLAHOMA do you
agree with me.....and by calling Peoria a grandchild of Tulsa I Mean
That Peoria is the 'most' "underrated' city in "America" is progressive
, not provincial , and agressive in pursuing local urban renewal projects
, or in other words PEORIA ILLNOIS HAS FIRE IN IT'S BELLY....

PEORIA ILLNOIS......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoria,_Illinois

[linicx]

I don't know what started it but I know a little about the history. The original tribes that inhabited the ILlinois River Valley was a subset of the Algonquin Nation that lived in Canada. There was much fighting amongst the various tribes before the Peoria's, that had inhabited the Illinois River Valley. migrated and settled in Peoria not far from Miami in Northeastern Oklahoma. I believe it is one of the Nine Tribes. I think you could say the present Peoria Tribe descends from the original Pooria's that inhabited the Illinois River Valley near where Peoria, Illinois is located today.

Is Tulsa a descendant of Peoria, IL? That is probably a stretch as descendency does not normally apply to cities. Did any of Tulsa's original settlers once live in or near Peoria, IL?

What I know from personal experience is Tulsa, OK and Peoria, IL are remarkably alike in topography, location. history and amenities despite the fact Tulsa has a much larger MSA, and is is located some 600 miles west of Peoria, IL. I lived in one, visited the other many times, and was not disappointed in my expectations. I can recite a litany of how the two are quite similar but I suspect neither side wants to hear it. Peoria is the largest and first settlement on the Illinois River. It has the third largest MSA after Chicago and East St. Louis. It is older than Tulsa, having settled first several miles NE of, and several years earlier than, when it was officially "founded" in 1819 at its present location.

While I have the bully pulpit I want to say a word about the Wiki's on the web. Most of them contain gross errors. Whoever wrote the Wiki on Peoria does not understand the routes in and out of Peoria. Rt 6. for instance, connects Mossville at Rt 29 to US 150/I-74/I-174 on the NW side of Peoria. IL 29 is parallel to and a least 50 miles west of 1-55. It is akin to stating 412 ends in OKC. I can cite a genealogy Wiki that links to an ancestral grandfather who the writer claims married his son-in-law in 1672 - because he/she did not understand how to read a patronym. He actually married the daughter of his father's best friend. The problem with Wiki arises when people who do not understand a subject try to write about it. Since click and paste is not research, I rarely give much credence to any Wiki.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by linicx

I don't know what started it but I know a little about the history. The original tribes that inhabited the ILlinois River Valley was a subset of the Algonquin Nation that lived in Canada. There was much fighting amongst the various tribes before the Peoria's, that had inhabited the Illinois River Valley. migrated and settled in Peoria not far from Miami in Northeastern Oklahoma. I believe it is one of the Nine Tribes. I think you could say the present Peoria Tribe descends from the original Pooria's that inhabited the Illinois River Valley near where Peoria, Illinois is located today.

Is Tulsa a descendant of Peoria, IL? That is probably a stretch as descendency does not normally apply to cities. Did any of Tulsa's original settlers once live in or near Peoria, IL?

What I know from personal experience is Tulsa, OK and Peoria, IL are remarkably alike in topography, location. history and amenities despite the fact Tulsa has a much larger MSA, and is is located some 600 miles west of Peoria, IL. I lived in one, visited the other many times, and was not disappointed in my expectations. I can recite a litany of how the two are quite similar but I suspect neither side wants to hear it. Peoria is the largest and first settlement on the Illinois River. It has the third largest MSA after Chicago and East St. Louis. It is older than Tulsa, having settled first several miles NE of, and several years earlier than, when it was officially "founded" in 1819 at its present location.

While I have the bully pulpit I want to say a word about the Wiki's on the web. Most of them contain gross errors. Whoever wrote the Wiki on Peoria does not understand the routes in and out of Peoria. Rt 6. for instance, connects Mossville at Rt 29 to US 150/I-74/I-174 on the NW side of Peoria. IL 29 is parallel to and a least 50 miles west of 1-55. It is akin to stating 412 ends in OKC. I can cite a genealogy Wiki that links to an ancestral grandfather who the writer claims married his son-in-law in 1672 - because he/she did not understand how to read a patronym. He actually married the daughter of his father's best friend. The problem with Wiki arises when people who do not understand a subject try to write about it. Since click and paste is not research, I rarely give much credence to any Wiki.

I agree with all of your observations on and about Wikipedia , but I
just keep on using it no matter what , i guess it boils down to nothing
else left to replace it.......

[Howest2008]

This is just a little bit more info...........

Re: Tulsa. OK comment
I have an idea. Bring you camera and put your Peoria vacation pictures on the Tulsa website.

Here's Peoria videos. They were probably done over holiday for there is little traffic. IF you sitick with the videos from Peoriaillinoisian you will get an idea of why I Tulsa reminds me of Peoria. Some of the other videos from the South Side are pretty rank and raw. You would not want your children to see or hear it.

The first video is from Morton into Peoria from the Wast. You can stop and restart the video at any time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAWoZ...layer_embedded





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Me too. Its why I like my route. It takes you past Troy, MO. -- That little burg is a lot of fun and growing like a weed. You can even drive thr0ught the Mark Twain National Forest on your way home, too.

The neat thing about Rt 29 us that you follow the course of the Illinois River throught he IL River Valley for 60 miles and you get to detour on old Rome Road. If you are romantic you will fall under its spell unless of course the wather is windy and wet. If the day is clear with no winds, and roll down the window and drive slowly, you can hear the river talk to you. But you have to be quiet and listen.

Did I tell you Peoria has a nice microbrewery down town? You can bottle your own brand. It's a spit from the PEoria Riverfron Plaza. If you're there in the summer you can play in the fountain and take a carriage ride, too. .The "wmbd" is hidden in the bluffs high about the river. One a clear day you can see forever. No joke. Have a new 7 acre zoo exhibit called Africa! that will close for the winter.
Planetarium? Day sailer? . We have an awesome 100+ year old private yacht club. Grandpa had money he invested back into the community. Lawn Tennis and all.


Thank You For The Heads UP Linicx...you
are right on Spot..That's Some Beautiful Country
I just wish that more Tulsan Knew About IT.....

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I have no idea why you come to Peoria from Milwaukee, but I can tall you a couple of things.

Once you reach I=80 go west to IL 29 at Princeton and gas up. Then go south to Peoria. It iw a wonderfully scenic route. Follow 29 to route IL 9. but fefore you get here you need to decide if you want to pick up US 24, OR do you want to take a SW shortcut to I-70 and I-44. If you have the time, it is an amazingly scenic journey plus it misses all of Springfield traffic, and all of St. Louis traffic by 50 miles. You will be smack-dab in the middle of Ancient indian grounds. Take a short detour past 12,000 acres of wetland plus visit a state museum with an active dig. The detour is probably not much more than 20 miles, but you'll get a 10,000 year old history lesson. That little stretch is quite amazing for what it is. You can actually continue from here to Springfield and pick up I-55. But, if you take his route, you miss the Martin bird house town. If you do this then you can [1] pick up US 54 = which is boring, 0r [2] stay on 54 through the lake of the Ozarks - if you haven't already been there and done that you know is built in the Ozark mountains.

There are all kinds of different ways to avoid Springfield and St. Louis. I've tried every one. Most are cumbersome and not handy.

I lved in OK and MO and spent a number of years driving between Peoria and sunny SoCal. If you only travel the interstates you miss some of the most scenic areas in the heartland of America. And some very good food too.

The biggest difference between Tulsa and Peoria is not the size. It is the diversity in culture, religion politics and the very large park district,. In these, Peoria is more like the City of Chicago. Peoria County is nearly five times larger than Chicago and 2/3 as large as Cook County. There is a lot of it to see and experience. I'd love to hear what you thing about the 'world's most beautiful drive" and our pizza. .

Ever been to Door County, Wi? It's authentic too.

Linicx.
I Always would hear about (Peoria Ill)....
Something along these LINES..IF IT WILL PLAY
IN PEORIA ..IT WILL PLAY ANYWHERE Or Something Similar To That. Well I have a weakness that I
can't get around..(The WonderLust) weakness , I
got to see places that I've Never Been TO.....




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I just read the comment you made about Peoria in the AR forum where Tulsa vs Fayettevlle was being discussed. I basically said Peoria and Tulsa were very similar in geography. I thought it would be fun to kick the can for a minute or two. with you, This is why I think Peoria and Tulsa are more similar than Fayetteville and Tulsa. If you've been to both areas, they physical area feels a lot alike to me.

Both have tree covered rolling hills. Peoria is surrounded by forested cliffs and steep hills.
Both are built on a big river. The IL river is nearly 300 miles long, and i mile at its widest.
They are both in large counties.
They both sprawl
They both have Jewish communities. Peoria's is the largest in IL outside of Chicago
Both have two malls and smaller shopping areas
Both have upscale shopping and dining
Both are old Cities with old money. Peoria is oldest; Tulsa must be the grandson .
Both have regional state fairs.
Both dress up for Christmas; Tulsa has Broken Arrow; Peoria has FOLEPI.
Both have many events duriing the year
Both have furriers
Both have a private university
Both have three hospitals
Both hold big ticket shows in large venues
Both have country clubs. Peoria has 5
Both have marina's. Peoria has a private yacht club for sailing and a public marina; two more nearby
Both have riverfront parks
Both have four seasons; Peoria winter is harsher
Tulsa summer storms are harsher.
Tulsa religious community is predominately Christian. Peoria religious community is very diverse; it is many colors. .
Both have natural food stores and restaurants.
Both offer metaphysical and holistic
Both have doctors and hospitals that offer support services in rural areas
Both have one or more lakes nearby.
Both have miserable heat and humidity in the summer.
The Nature Conservancy is active in both states and manages Ozarks in both states! The IL Ozarks is 200,000 acres.
Both have an outstanding Zoo
Both city park districts manage large areas of land. Peoria has 9,000 acres contained in 60 sq. miles. It is the oldest and first park system established in IL (1894)

Linicx




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Thanks inicx...Peoria Is A GEM of a vastly
Underrated Up And Coming City , and it indeed
is more like Tulsa in Feel and Vibe than NWA.....
Not to many people in Tulsa know about Peoria ,
which is easily verified by the number of Resp....
on my Tulsa Peoria Thread.I am thrilled to have
a Father-In-Law in Milwaukee Wisconsin which
gives me a opportunity to see Peoria during my
Road Trips From California > Milwaukee>Tulsa...
Have A Great Day......howest2008