Crime Rate Falls In America Most Urban Cities But Remains High In TULSA.... (Oklahoma City: how much, homes)

[Howest2008]

For reasons beyond the comprehension of all American Social Scientist
Crime is dropping like a lead weight in America's Biggest Most Urban
Cities Such as "Washington D.C." "Los Angeles California" "New York City"
to a level which hasn't been seen in the last 40 some odd years. Some
of America's other top 20 Ranked Cities are also seeing drastic
reduction in Crime such as "Boston MA" "San Francisco California"
Minneapolis Minneasota" and other MAJOR IMPORTANT AMEIRCAN
CITIES. This exciting news comes at a time where CRIME IS
SKYROCKETING In TULSA OKLAHOMA a place where you would
think that CRIME just doesn't exist."Grammar and Spelling
May Be...."OFF"

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[Jammie]

Interesting. It looks like the Tulsa Mayor cares about her citizens. Funny thing~if I was shown the pic of the Council member who will be voting against it and was asked what state I thought he was from, I'd guess SC.

I'm glad to see that OKC wants to move forward and is interested in safety.

[TulsaArtist]

Lets be frank here,,, a lot of our problems stem from the fact that Tulsa has a lot of poverty. We have a huge underclass and poor stystems in place to remedy the situation. (our poor underclass is often hidden in stats which combine the hefty number of fairly wealthy people to come up with "average incomes" etc. In other words, we are actually poorer than we sometimes look. ) Combine that with our mix of conservatism,fundamentalism (and what I call "magical thinking") and you get a good amount of rigid opposition to change and or ineffective solutions. Especially if its suggested the change be of or from the government.

We are one of the poorest states and one of the most fundamentalist and conservative. Its difficult to separate the two or influence one without influencing, or having to try and change, the other. I don't want to make it appear as if I am against religion or conservatism, however, it seems to me that its our particular brand and mix of both that exacerbates a lot of our difficulties.

The "anti tax, less gov." crowd says that it should be up to the people to make changes, pull themselves up from their bootstraps, churches, volunteerism, donations, etc.

Conservative groups who rank the states show that we have some of the lowest, if not the lowest over all tax burdens of any state. (despite the screams of over taxation from many here)

We also have some of the largest and most active church going populations. We also donate and give more than average than those in other states.

How is this approach working for us? What are the stats showing?

Plus, whats really shocking to consider is how much better off we are because of the "pure luck" and happenstance our state has in its oil wealth. By no special means or innate ability expressed in ourselves, how we think or do things,,, we have this blessing of extra money that has propped up our economy and made it far better than it would be otherwise. Imagine then how things would be if we didnt have this fortunate happenstance lifting us up. Can you imagine?

[teakboat]

Tulsa is not a poor city, per capita wealth is higher than Dallas Tx. It is true that OK is a fairly poor state. However, everything is relative. Oklahoma per capita income is higher than that of most European countries, which I suppose are models for the type of systems that you favor.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by teakboat

Tulsa is not a poor city, per capita wealth is higher than Dallas Tx. It is true that OK is a fairly poor state. However, everything is relative. Oklahoma per capita income is higher than that of most European countries, which I suppose are models for the type of systems that you favor.

Now don't get me wrong I'm not hostile toward your post , but
what European Countries are we talking about here ?.....

[TulsaArtist]

Originally Posted by teakboat

Tulsa is not a poor city, per capita wealth is higher than Dallas Tx. It is true that OK is a fairly poor state. However, everything is relative. Oklahoma per capita income is higher than that of most European countries, which I suppose are models for the type of systems that you favor.

Not going to search for the stats at this moment, but my guess is otherwise. Again, we have a lot of wealthy people who make the "average per capita" look higher. How else would you explain the higher rates of poverty, child hunger, homelessness, etc. Had one friend who visited Tulsa from Tucson comment that he had never seen a city with such large and radically different incomes. Our poor areas are really poor, the wealthy areas quite impressive. And the numbers on each extreme are larger than usual it seems. The number of million dollar homes for example is larger than comparable cities, and even larger cities in the midwest and south. Then you go to the other extreme and find lots of homes that are dirt, dirt, cheap. Yes all cities have extremes, but ours seem to be larger and the examples more numerous than other similar cities.

The "average" incomes are not bad,,, but I wonder how we rank when you break it down? My bet is that you would find above average numbers of people in serious poverty in this city, and quite possibly an above average number of fairly wealthy people.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by TulsaArtist

Lets be frank here,,, a lot of our problems stem from the fact that Tulsa has a lot of poverty. We have a huge underclass and poor stystems in place to remedy the situation. (our poor underclass is often hidden in stats which combine the hefty number of fairly wealthy people to come up with "average incomes" etc. In other words, we are actually poorer than we sometimes look. ) Combine that with our mix of conservatism,fundamentalism (and what I call "magical thinking") and you get a good amount of rigid opposition to change and or ineffective solutions. Especially if its suggested the change be of or from the government.

We are one of the poorest states and one of the most fundamentalist and conservative. Its difficult to separate the two or influence one without influencing, or having to try and change, the other. I don't want to make it appear as if I am against religion or conservatism, however, it seems to me that its our particular brand and mix of both that exacerbates a lot of our difficulties.

The "anti tax, less gov." crowd says that it should be up to the people to make changes, pull themselves up from their bootstraps, churches, volunteerism, donations, etc.

Conservative groups who rank the states show that we have some of the lowest, if not the lowest over all tax burdens of any state. (despite the screams of over taxation from many here)

We also have some of the largest and most active church going populations. We also donate and give more than average than those in other states.

How is this approach working for us? What are the stats showing?

Plus, whats really shocking to consider is how much better off we are because of the "pure luck" and happenstance our state has in its oil wealth. By no special means or innate ability expressed in ourselves, how we think or do things,,, we have this blessing of extra money that has propped up our economy and made it far better than it would be otherwise. Imagine then how things would be if we didnt have this fortunate happenstance lifting us up. Can you imagine?

howest2008 offer a Disclaimer for his Grammar and English

As far as poverty goes Los Angeles California is always "belittled" about
the large poverty ridden underbelly infested with so called "Illegal Aliens"
so it has to be a little deeper than "Poverty" you can also go to Harlem
New York and the Bronx and see some Super-Poverty within the city of New York New York.

[teakboat]

I have checked the stats, if you want to spend a half hour or so looking you will find that what I wrote is true.

Tulsaartist, yes what you wrote in your last post is true. We have quite a few very rich, and quite a few poor. That is the nature of our society. Perhaps those poor should innovate and create, and work, and they will improve their lot in the world.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by teakboat

I have checked the stats, if you want to spend a half hour or so looking you will find that what I wrote is true.

Tulsaartist, yes what you wrote in your last post is true. We have quite a few very rich, and quite a few poor. That is the nature of our society. Perhaps those poor should innovate and create, and work, and they will improve their lot in the world.

No amount of hard work is going to enrich everybody , it takes
hard work and smart work and being in the right place at the right
time.If Hard Work Made people rich then my Grandfather would've
be a Multi-Millionaire.........and the African American race would
have more than one Billionaire....Oprah....

[teakboat]

Hard/smart work has kept quite a few from being poor.