Hold On To Your Seats Boys And Girls............... (Tulsa, Broken Arrow: low income, crime)
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Personally I think such statistics are 82.7% nonsense.
There are areas of Miami, LA, SF, etc etc that are far more dangerous than anywhere in Tulsa. There are also areas in each of them that are safer than anywhere in Tulsa. North to south or east to west is an under 30 minute drive most times. This makes the "non-criminal" element far more exposed than you would find in the larger cities where people usually stay in specific neighborhoods. We don't have that specificity. Because our crime is spread out all over the place instead of being concentrated in specific barrios or districts, that makes us more dangerous? I can go into any neighborhood in Tulsa (and in my job, I frequently do) without feeling particularly uneasy. I can't do that in many areas of larger cities, although in those cities, if I hang in white upper middle class neighborhoods I am generally 100% safe.
Personally I think such statistics are 82.7% nonsense.
There are areas of Miami, LA, SF, etc etc that are far more dangerous than anywhere in Tulsa.
howest2008...The most dangerous area's of LA S.F Chicago NYC (Miami) make Tulsa OK and OKC most dangerous area look like Disneyland. Mainly because Per Capita Data is "SKEW" I had a gentleman that used Per Capita Data once to PROVE That The Economy Of OKLAHOMA was greater THAN The ECONOMY OF THE NATIONS OF GERMANY AND ENGLAND now can you believe that. GERMANY has 82,000,000 population and ENGLAND has 52,000,000 I believe population and OKLAHOMA has 3,600,000 population OF COURSE OKLAHOMA comes out on top PER CAPITA (GDP).. , but my problem is a comparison between two cities of LIKE SIZE Miami 366,000 and Tulsa 388,000 and TULSA coming off as having larger Per Capita Crime Problems.
There are also areas in each of them that are safer than anywhere in Tulsa. North to south or east to west is an under 30 minute drive most times. This makes the "non-criminal" element far more exposed than you would find in the larger cities where people usually stay in specific neighborhoods. We don't have that specificity. Because our crime is spread out all over the place instead of being concentrated in specific barrios or districts, that makes us more dangerous? I can go into any neighborhood in Tulsa (and in my job, I frequently do) without feeling particularly uneasy. I can't do that in many areas of larger cities, although in those cities,
howest2008.....90% agreement with that
if I hang in white upper middle class neighborhoods I am generally 100% safe.
howest2008.....I don't agree with that.."White Upper Middle Class" area of NYC LA Chicago S.F. Miami will never OFFER 100% SAFETY.
We live in (near) a city with the wackiest priorities I've ever seen!
When is buying a new city hall and building a ball field more important than graduating a class of police officers?
When the priority spending happens way south but the needs are north.
When a downtown walking mall is a mall, is not a mall, is a mall, is not a mall....
I would love for someone to reexamine the city's function: fire/safety, limited government, roads/infrastructure; and focus on that.
In Tulsa's favor (and as a Houston at heart), the corruption of city politics is nothing new, it's just that Tulsa has such a small tax base and small tax income. The graft is obvious because the 'real' work of a city doesn't get done. At least the Texas corrupt politicians know they should at least do their jobs (safety, infrastructure) BEFORE they skim.
The populace doesn't pay attention to the graft if their needs are being met. Tulsa hasn't learned that yet!
When is buying a new city hall and building a ball field more important than graduating a class of police officers?
the ball field was done with private money
having a city hall in one place instead of scattered around in rental space is not a misuse of funds.
The police budget is not affected by either the new city hall funding or the ball park. The police budget is tied to sales taxes which are depressed nationwide, not just Tulsa.
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Originally Posted by DogLover99
When the priority spending happens way south but the needs are north.
Jenks spends in Jenks. Bixby spends in Bixby. Neither one of them have a dog in North Tulsa.....but Tulsa does have a lot of investment in north Tulsa and is actively renovating much of that area in partnership with banks through low interest loans for renovation, low cost money for infrastructure investment, and other incentives to redevelop the north.
Honestly, there are times that I think cities all over are messed up in their priorities. This is a bit off topic, but I was listening to the news the other night. They had a story about how many homeless families they don't have room for and how they're scrambling to get them into motels. (That's when windchill was minus 25) The next news story was about how much it'd cost to build their fabulous new building. I love the city I'm refering to, but I just found the priorities to be messed up like they are all over now. I dunno. Maybe I'm first noticing it and it's always been this way????
It's just strange that one of the top priorities for cities isn't offering protection (police, fire dept), shelter, food, etc. I just hope that they change their minds before crime gets worse. Tulsa is such a beautiful city.
having a city hall in one place instead of scattered around in rental space is not a misuse of funds.
The police budget is not affected by either the new city hall funding or the ball park. The police budget is tied to sales taxes which are depressed nationwide, not just Tulsa.
Jenks spends in Jenks. Bixby spends in Bixby. Neither one of them have a dog in North Tulsa.....but Tulsa does have a lot of investment in north Tulsa and is actively renovating much of that area in partnership with banks through low interest loans for renovation, low cost money for infrastructure investment, and other incentives to redevelop the north.
Not the complete story.
$25 Million dollars is coming out of every Tulsa County citizens pockets starting in 2010 to pay for the new downtown baseball stadium.
[The stadium that was not NEEDED]
This tax money could be used to help correct some of the budget problems facing the city now.
Not the complete story.
$25 Million dollars is coming out of every Tulsa County citizens pockets starting in 2010 to pay for the new downtown baseball stadium.
[The stadium that was not NEEDED]
This tax money could be used to help correct some of the budget problems facing the city now.
It is a "special" tax, not a general fund tax. If you want more cops and firemen and you think we should burden the community with a special tax, by all means, ask your councilman to increase your taxes. cops and firemen come from general funds, not special taxes.
Well Tulsa could do as most other American Cities...raise a short term penny tax to fund the addictional "police and fire" needed for the city of Tulsa OK.
Invite in the Guardian Angels..."they have to be" invited into a city or town. Organinize a citizen patrol ( be it private citizen) or security officers in cars or trucks.
Put in (Shots) microphones and video camera's in high crime area's!!!
And most of ALL stop belly aching OKC has made Billions Of Dollars of Urban Improvement In OKC...Tulsa has Done A Measly Couple Of Hundred Dollars WORTH....
The City of Dallas Texas is hiring 300-400 police officers and will be in Tulsa interviewing the Tulsa officers who are facing impending layoffs.Tulsa's loss is Dallas' gain and means employment for the Tulsa officers.
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I love the city I'm refering to, but I just found the priorities to be messed up like they are all over now. I dunno. Maybe I'm first noticing it and it's always been this way???? 
