05-19-2010, 10:08 AM
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I found this on Wikipedia.
Among the most geographically diverse states, Oklahoma is one of four to harbor more than 10 distinct ecological regions, with 11 in its borders — more per square mile than in any other state. Its western and eastern halves, however, are marked by extreme differences in geographical diversity: Eastern Oklahoma touches eight ecological regions and its western half contains three.
Happywacko, I like it here. And yes I have been to other places. Last year I spent 5 months in Middletown NY. Three years ago I was living just outside Tucson in the town to Benson. Before that I was in Ogallala, NE. I have also lived in Euless, TX, I have traveled all over the US and parts of Europe. Does Oklahoma's Ozarks look like the Alps? No. Do we have a Grand Canyon? No. Can you buy a beach front home in Tulsa and watch the whales? Of course not, but Oklahoma is not simple, boring or ugly.
I don't know maybe it just me. I guess I'm just simpler than you are.
Okie1962,
Oklahoma is not simple, boring or ugly and I am 100% agree with you on this. I know about the ecological zones in Oklahoma, and we do have seen a cactus under a birch tree.
For some "mystical" reasons however most people prefer to go to Alps, Bay area, Cap Cod, etc. Despite all those ecological zones, I cannot name a single national attraction in Oklahoma. It's okay with me and apparently with you, but I am always concerned about kids. When someone tells me that Oklahoma is a great place to raise kids, I have no clue what they mean by this.
05-20-2010, 07:52 AM
Location: Franklin Lakes, NJ
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Okie1962,
Oklahoma is not simple, boring or ugly and I am 100% agree with you on this. I know about the ecological zones in Oklahoma, and we do have seen a cactus under a birch tree.
For some "mystical" reasons however most people prefer to go to Alps, Bay area, Cap Cod, etc. Despite all those ecological zones, I cannot name a single national attraction in Oklahoma. It's okay with me and apparently with you, but I am always concerned about kids. When someone tells me that Oklahoma is a great place to raise kids, I have no clue what they mean by this.
When people say it's a great place to raise kids it can mean a lot of things. It's hard to qualify the aspects that make up a feeling for a place. People are probably relating to a sense of shared values, community and stable institutions. I think there may be a financial aspect to it as well.
I lived in NYC and its suburbs all of my life. For my two cents the kids in Manhattan are much too worldly and tend to run wild. That's painting with a pretty broad brush but I've known many. I've dated a lot of their mothers in my day. The NYC suburbs are little better. Most of the kids are latch key. In or out of the city the kids are subjected to a torrent of negative images and ideals promoted by a popular culture design to separate them from their parent provided money.
There is little support for the kids. Mom and dad are living for today trying to keep up with their neighbors. In so many ways the entire life is superficial.
You can contrast this situation with what I've seen in Oklahoma. From where I sit I think there is more emphasis placed on family life and mom and dad seem to be more involved. I think they feel supported also because their neighbos and friends share similiar experiences. Part of this I think is the cost of living. Parents seem to have more time for kids. It's a slower pace of life and negative distractions aren't as readily available. It may not be for everyone but the churches are a strong bulwark against negative influences and provide an alternative to the popular culture that just celebrates and uplifts the lowest common denominator.
05-20-2010, 12:34 PM
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When people say it's a great place to raise kids it can mean a lot of things. It's hard to qualify the aspects that make up a feeling for a place. People are probably relating to a sense of shared values, community and stable institutions. I think there may be a financial aspect to it as well.
I lived in NYC and its suburbs all of my life. For my two cents the kids in Manhattan are much too worldly and tend to run wild. That's painting with a pretty broad brush but I've known many. I've dated a lot of their mothers in my day. The NYC suburbs are little better. Most of the kids are latch key. In or out of the city the kids are subjected to a torrent of negative images and ideals promoted by a popular culture design to separate them from their parent provided money.
There is little support for the kids. Mom and dad are living for today trying to keep up with their neighbors. In so many ways the entire life is superficial.
You can contrast this situation with what I've seen in Oklahoma. From where I sit I think there is more emphasis placed on family life and mom and dad seem to be more involved. I think they feel supported also because their neighbos and friends share similiar experiences. Part of this I think is the cost of living. Parents seem to have more time for kids. It's a slower pace of life and negative distractions aren't as readily available. It may not be for everyone but the churches are a strong bulwark against negative influences and provide an alternative to the popular culture that just celebrates and uplifts the lowest common denominator.
I agree with many of your arguments. The cost of living is very important, and a somewhat slower pace of life might be sometimes beneficial for kids up to some age. Personally though I think that churches are the major distraction, but there are plenty of people in Tulsa that would agree with me, so I hope my kids will find good real friends. I am pretty sure that outside Tulsa and OKC, the communities are not welcoming diversity. It's just my opinion.
I am not sure what you call "common denominator" in respect to popular culture, but in Oklahoma all you basically get is church, sports, and drugs. If you think of some nearly illegal activities practiced by NYC gang-like groups of kids, then I am completely with you on this. But if you think of Disney World and Sea World as the popular culture phenomena that influence on kids should be limited, then I will respectfully disagree with you. I think that the lack of normal "popular culture" activities for kids in Oklahoma makes a strong impact on elevated crime rates and drug use; this is so pretty much everywhere in the world.
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05-20-2010, 07:56 PM
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Believe me when I say I am not a church goer I mean it. A lot of religious folks have made it loud and clear to me that I am not welcomed to share the kingdom of Heaven with them, and that I am gong to burn hell anyway so why bother. Why go somewhere I'm not welcome? That being said I do tend to agree with a lot of what ERISAjunkie says.
Back a few post you ask what Oklahoma has that is a National Attraction. I can think of two in Tulsa. ORU and Route 66. I used to work in a camera store here in Tulsa, and I was surprised at how many people passed through Tulsa touring Route 66. Most were Germans and Dutch.
And I was very surprised how many people from all over the world came to Tulsa to see ORU?!? I mean I don't think it would be for you or me but a lot of other people seemed to like going to see it.
05-20-2010, 08:10 PM
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Trying to pull this thread back to the subject. I think our friend form Nebraska will find Tulsa a very nice place visit.
05-21-2010, 07:06 AM
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okie1962,
I think, I will agree with you. Believe me or not, but I also like the ORU campus. Probably, Rt66 and ORU campus can be considered national attractions, but anyway I will never be able to encourage my friends from other states to come visit us partially because of those attractions. For this reason, we have to go meet on neutral grounds or at their places (like Boston).
That said, I do think that Tulsa is in many ways more interesting and attractive than Nebraska (I have traveled through Nebraska a few times).
05-21-2010, 07:21 AM
Location: Franklin Lakes, NJ
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okie1962
Trying to pull this thread back to the subject. I think our friend form Nebraska will find Tulsa a very nice place visit.
Sorry for the distraction. BTW- I think Seaworld etc. are great places to have fun. I was talking about, say, the glorification of drug use in television and music. Thank you for your comments Happy and to Okie for getting us back on track.
I agree that Route 66 is a wonderful attraction. It should be more fully realized. I thought it was cool to ride Route 66 and take pictures. I spent money at local restaurants and hotels.
OKC is ripe for more major league expansion. I think the Tunder really did well this year and the city should look to build on that.
05-21-2010, 12:46 PM
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Okie1962,
Oklahoma is not simple, boring or ugly and I am 100% agree with you on this. I know about the ecological zones in Oklahoma, and we do have seen a cactus under a birch tree.
For some "mystical" reasons however most people prefer to go to Alps, Bay area, Cap Cod, etc. Despite all those ecological zones, I cannot name a single national attraction in Oklahoma. It's okay with me and apparently with you, but I am always concerned about kids. When someone tells me that Oklahoma is a great place to raise kids, I have no clue what they mean by this.
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When someone tells me that Oklahoma is a great place to raise kids, I have no clue what they mean by this.
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Means OkieVille is a family-dominated/oriented culture.
05-21-2010, 05:05 PM
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>>>>>
When someone tells me that Oklahoma is a great place to raise kids, I have no clue what they mean by this.
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Means OkieVille is a family-dominated/oriented culture.
So, what does it mean exactly? For us, for example, the decision to get an addition to our family was partially due to the fact that my wife could not find job in Tulsa. I don't think you wanted to say that there is nothing else to do in Oklahoma but to multiply.
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Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)