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Old 10-18-2010, 06:42 PM
 
Location: grooving in the city
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Are you blind? She is a doll! She's got an Anne Hathaway vibe that I REALLY dig. Jessica Pare may be a lot of things, but unattractive definitely isn't one of them.



Definitely one of my favorite moments in the episode!



Really great insight here.

Overall, as much as I liked Faye, she just wasn't the right person for Don. It's been shown over and over that Don meant it when he said that his life had only one direction - forward. As much as Don like to use nostalgia as an advertising ploy, it's not something he enjoys for himself....except when he is "Dick" talking to Anna. My feelings on Faye (nicely articulated in some of the links I posted) was that she represented the expulsion of trauma and pain of the past by examination of it. But Don has no interest in that, frankly neither do most people. Megan represents a new beginning, even though it might just be a repeat of past mistakes. I guess we'll see.

Lessons learned:

Megan is hot
Peggy is awesome as Don Jr.
Joan is preggo
My nickname is Dick sometimes too.
Totally Agree!!!
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Old 10-18-2010, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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But I heartily disagree that Megan is not attractive. I think she's very beautiful.
Yuck! I agree with Nanannie. I don't find her attractive in the slightest. She's great with the kids, but that's it.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:46 AM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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Instead of asking if we can expect any grown from Don, we have to ask ourselves, does he really need to grow at all? Keep in mind; this is 1965 and he is rich, successful, and white. He's pretty much got the world by the tail.
I am asking this question strictly from a story-telling point of view though. In most stories and w/protagonists, there is some sort of character growth. Even tragic heroes are such because albeit late in the story/game, they have an epiphany which causes them to change themself or a situation, often too late in the game to save themselves, but it does benefit the greater good or public.
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:11 AM
 
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I am asking this question strictly from a story-telling point of view though. In most stories and w/protagonists, there is some sort of character growth. Even tragic heroes are such because albeit late in the story/game, they have an epiphany which causes them to change themself or a situation, often too late in the game to save themselves, but it does benefit the greater good or public.
I see where you're going but Mad Men isn't your typical story so it may be by design that while the people around him grow (Pete, Peggy) that Don stays the same. Wouldn't that be tragic in and of itself?
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:23 AM
 
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I see where you're going but Mad Men isn't your typical story so it may be by design that while the people around him grow (Pete, Peggy) that Don stays the same. Wouldn't that be tragic in and of itself?
It would be tragic. Maybe more of Dick will emerge as times passes on. That's why the the choice of "I've Got You Babe" at at the end of the episode and Don looking out the window was so interesting, at least to me. What was he thinking?
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:19 AM
 
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I am asking this question strictly from a story-telling point of view though. In most stories and w/protagonists, there is some sort of character growth. Even tragic heroes are such because albeit late in the story/game, they have an epiphany which causes them to change themself or a situation, often too late in the game to save themselves, but it does benefit the greater good or public.
I can't imagine that Don would do much to "benefit the greater good or public". The greater public back then was poor to middle class. The only way Don would do anything for them would be through advertising - and that would be only for (his) financial gain.

Half of Don will always live in an cloistered world, unconcerned about others. The other half will be experimental: doing things (drugs, more alcohol, more women, etc.).

The best Don would do regarding the public, I think, would be donating to charity.
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Old 10-19-2010, 08:47 AM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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I can't imagine that Don would do much to "benefit the greater good or public". The greater public back then was poor to middle class. The only way Don would do anything for them would be through advertising - and that would be only for (his) financial gain.

Half of Don will always live in an cloistered world, unconcerned about others. The other half will be experimental: doing things (drugs, more alcohol, more women, etc.).

The best Don would do regarding the public, I think, would be donating to charity.
No, you're not getting what I'm driving at. I am approaching this from a strictly literary/cinemanic criticism point of view, using the formal definition of a tragic hero to relate Don to the rest of the show and its workings. Nevermind.

Here is another recap article you guys might enjoy:
Samantha Zalaznick: Mad Men Finale Recap: Happily Ever After?
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Old 10-19-2010, 08:58 AM
 
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No, you're not getting what I'm driving at. I am approaching this from a strictly literary/cinemanic criticism point of view, using the formal definition of a tragic hero to relate Don to the rest of the show and its workings. Nevermind.

Here is another recap article you guys might enjoy:
Samantha Zalaznick: Mad Men Finale Recap: Happily Ever After?
With all due respect, I'm really not trying to get it because I'm not a "literary/cinematic" type of person right now. I'm more ... "practical". I also tend to skim posts sometimes. So, I'm not trying to get "deep".
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Old 10-19-2010, 09:39 AM
 
Location: NW Montana
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Yea, I think that Don now has a Nannie with benefits

I think Megan reminds me of Liv Tyler.

Jessica Pare and Liv Tyler (Morphed) - MorphThing.com
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Old 10-19-2010, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Gallatin, TN
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Yea, I think that Don now has a Nannie with benefits

I think Megan reminds me of Liv Tyler.

Jessica Pare and Liv Tyler (Morphed) - MorphThing.com
Definitely...That Thing You Do was on last night and I thought the exact thing myself. Both have that noticeable-but-still-cute overbite thing.
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