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One thing she says about Greg Harris: "So I found it very satisfying that she finally got to say, "You're not a good man. And you know exactly what I'm talking about."
I agree with what she says in the interview about her fun "date" with Don. I thought they were cute together, and yes maybe a bit of flirtiness was in the air, but never thought of them as a couple. I've always thought of them as friends.
Joan's husband filed for divorce and served her with papers. Until Sept. 1967, the ONLY ground for divorce in New York State was adultery. It would have to be proven in court. I wonder if the writers realize this.
Maybe Greg put two and two together and realized that Kevin is not his son.
Maybe Greg put two and two together and realized that Kevin is not his son.
It is possible, although the writers have not shown this yet. If that happened, it would have to come out in the open and the child would lose all government benefits from having a father in the military. Greg would also be highly embarassed and it would hurt his career. In keeping with his characther, if Greg was aware of it (and you think he would figure it out being a doctor), he most likely would not publically admit it.
Before, he filed for divorce, he would have had to already posess proof. His lawyer would have advised him of it. After the divorce reform laws of 1967, the required grounds were still limited and not simple to prove. In New York State, it was not easy to get divorced until the laws were changed once again during the early 80s. New York state civil law, in this regard, has always been slow to join the more "progressive" states. It made sense for Betty to get a quickie in Nevada, as many people did.
Before, he filed for divorce, he would have had to already posess proof.
If I followed the series of events correctly, it should be obvious that Greg is not Kevin's father. Greg was away in Vietnam for one year. Roger and Joan had a one night stand during this time frame. That was the night they were robbed at gunpoint. Even Joan approached Roger stating that her cycle was late. The normal gestation period for a human is nine months. How can Greg father a child in New York when he is in a foreign country half way around the world?
How can Greg father a child in New York when he is in a foreign country half way around the world?
Harris had *just* been called up when Joan and Roger had their post-mugging street fling.
We know Roger is the father, but it's not impossible that Greg Harris could have been.
But before Harris raped Joan in the office, hadn't his suspicions been a bit aroused about Roger? Does anyone else remember this?
I don't think Don sees prostitution as immoral. I don't think he sees it as moral, either, but that his personal history and his professional history gives him the perspective of prostitution as just business. It's not the prostitution that he is so troubled by, but the coercion that he perceives in the situation. He doesn't want the Jaguar dealer making decisions with the firm based on the dealer's ability to coerce them, and he doesn't want Joan making this kind of decision based on Pete and the other partners' willingness to coerce Joan. But I think that he can still respect Joan after this because he can see her decision as a business decision.
Mine too DC! And I enjoy your comments so much that I must jump in to the discussion. Respectfully disagree with you on this one (finely written) point. Don DOES have a problem with prostitution ... remember, his mother was a who__e (can't believe they are censoring this word, but oh well!) And he was desperate for Joan not to succumb, so much so that he dropped everything and ran to her apartment, risking pretty much everything (business-wise)to stop Joan -- his friend, but who, let's face it -- "mothered" pretty much everyone in the firm by taking care of their needs -- from becoming a "who___re.".
This whole series has largely been about Don's massive "Madonna/W___re" complex, which stems from the fact that his mother was a prostitute and his stepmother rubbed his nose in it constantly while withholding love and affection from him... any woman he has a sexual relationship with is either a wh__re or a mother, which is why his marriage to Betty didn't work out. The marriage worked as long as Betty acted like a "mother" both to their kids and to him (caring for his material needs, showing him unconditional love and approval i.e., turning a blind eye to his faults/lies. It's why he slept around too -- because he couldn't get sexual satisfaction form Betty -- whom he saw as a "mother."). But whenever she tries to assert her sexuality -- and address him like an adult about his lies -- things went downhill. Remember the Valentines episode where he gets a room at a fancy hotel and Betty comes "prepared" -- dressed in sexy lingerie -- and he is impotent? Remember that he called her a "wh___re" when she told him she wanted a divorce?
It's no coincidence that his only healthy relationships with women were nonsexual, i.e. Anna, Peggy.
Yet -- Don's is a human journey and he is making progress, with the help of a strong loving woman like Megan.
But I predict that Joan's decision ... which I applaud ... will damage his relationship with her in some way. Either he will be brutal and disrespectful or he will try to sleep with her.
I also feel like Something Awful is about to happen to Don. Either Megan will betray him -- because even though she is strong and smart and loving, she is still young and obviously not the type to just settle into being a trophy wife. She's already been called a sellout and it's obvious that this wounds her, and it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for her to act out sexually ... such were the times.
Or perhaps he will grieve for Peggy like he grieved for Anna ... and in his grief fall apart and betray Megan?
Whatever happens I can't wait ... I don't want this season to end.
Yeah. I don't know where to start.
However, while I am usually surprised (and I enjoy this aspect of MM) by what Mad Men characters do, there were two things that did not surprise me at all.
1): As soon as Don told Lane that he had to resign, I knew that somehow, some way, Lane would take his own life. When he purposely broke his glasses, that was a note of finality. And when the Jaguar wouldn't start (they're unreliable, remember!? ) I knew that would only stiffen his resolve.
He was finished. (And his wife--how clueless can you get?!)
2): When they were at the museum, as soon as Sally said she had a stomachache, I knew she was getting her period. I loved the way that Megan and Betty verbally tiptoed around this "hush hush" subject, that is exactly the way my mom used to handle it (I think Sally is the same age as I was that year.) Sally and Betty had that nice hot water bottle scene on the bed, but of course Betty had to stick it to Megan with that oneupsmanship remark "She just needed her mother."
Maybe someone (DC?) will be able to articulate it better than I can, but I saw these sad parallels with Don and Lane as they labored over the weekend. Both had goals--but such *different* ones.
As usual, Roger had a superb one-liner: "I'll buy you a drink after you wipe the blood off your mouth."
I'm gonna miss Lane. A lot of his story lines were left unresolved, like that woman who's picture he found in that taxicab, or his strained relationship with his father, or his relationship with that black playboy bunny...
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) I knew that would only stiffen his resolve.
