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Old 09-26-2011, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Pan Am is on the DVR so we can also skip the many commercials.
I'll post a full report tomorrow.

 
Old 09-26-2011, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Gilbert - Val Vista Lakes
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I finally saw the show. It's good entertainment, and for me a bit of nostalgia; and I agree with someone who said the music was a bit too loud. It was the appropriate music for the period, but a little loud during the dialogues.

Certainly the show is meant to be entertainment with a dash of reality. Flight Attendants marching through the terminal in formation was never reality.

We stayed in First Class hotels, not Luxury hotels as the show depicted. In London we stayed at a hotel not far from Picadilly Circus, and I believe we completely filled the hotel with our contract. We had a lot of crews laying over at London every day.

It was good to see the Pan Am Building
with the name intact. The circular Pan Am terminal was impressive during the 60's but was quickly out dated.

I remember the day that Delta took over the Pan Am North Atlantic Routes (I went to Delta with those routes) I went to my Queens commuter apartment one night and the next morning when I came back to the airport the Pan Am signs at the terminal were covered up with big DELTA signs. A very sad moment for Pan Am because it was close to the last gasp of breath for Pan Am.

Pan Am did a lot of humanitarian work for the government, and some of it was gratis volunteer work. In 1985, Mexico City had an 8.1 magnitude earthquake, and I was one of the pilots who volunteered to fly there to deliver supplies without pay. Pan Am furnished the aircraft free.

For years we flew GI's out of Vietnam for R&R to Hong Kong, Bangkok and Sydney under a government contract.

Sending airplanes to pick up the Bay of Pigs prisoners was just one of those missions, but in that case Pan Am was probably paid by the U.S. government.


The scene where the Captain was going to leave the flight attendant behind in Cuba would not have happened. The Purser would have made sure all the flight attendants were on board, and if one was missing would have informed the Captain and the Operations Manager.

The Captain would have made damn sure he had all of his crew on board. There is no way he would have left one of his crew behind.

She was probably still inside the building fighting to get the last couple of people out. She would not have been having a "meeting" with someone. The show did not make it clear what she was doing, and that was unfortunate.

During the 60's there was probably no Pan Am Captain younger than 40. Many of them were much older and a few had been on the Flying Boats In my opinion, a Charlton Heston, or Sullenberger type would have made more sense. But then again it wouldn't have fit the storyline.

Also, because the Purser position had a higher pay, many of the Pursers were also older, with more seniority to hold that position. They cast this crew as all the same age.

This is trivia, but up until later in the 60's and 70's when bell bottom trousers, long hair and long sideburns came into vogue, the pilots sideburns could not protrude below a line drawn back from the eye. This Captains sideburns are too low for 1963 and his hair is touching the collar which was also not allowed.

So far they've only displayed the glamorous side of the job,
with the requisite sex thrown in for interest. They haven't shown the flight attendant in the most important role, which is safety, and how quickly the glamorous hat can be removed and replaced by the no-nonsense take charge and protect their passengers, hat.

When pilots started to lengthen the sideburns
like the rest of society, the Check Captains would get on them. They would ask you to stick your finger in your ear and if the sideburns touch the top of the finger they were too long

One of our professional engineers was nicknamed Dirty Dan. He was a really great guy who would say whatever was on his mind at any time, to anyone.

On a flight one day a Check Pilot was on board and at one point during the flight he told Dan to stick his finger in his ear.

Dan told the Check Pilot to "stick your finger in your #ss". True story. No further attempt was made to have Dan stick his finger in his ear.
 
Old 09-26-2011, 01:53 PM
 
Location: East Side of ATL
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I don't remember the 707 and 727 being particularly spacious... the first spacious plane I recall are the wide body DC10 and L1011

I think the reason the purser was late in Cuba is because she was on assignment.
From the show, the aisle are almost big enough for 2 people to walk side by side. You can barely get one person down and aisle today.

I meant, a CIA meeting/assignment as well.
 
Old 09-26-2011, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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This was running through my head the whole time I was watching the show.

Pan Am Makes The Going Great! Spot #2
 
Old 09-26-2011, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Not where I want to be
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Thank you for your post, Captain Bill. It was highly informative. I have some of those Pan Am bags left from my grandfather from his flights.

I also was going to say that the missing stewardess, Bridgit, was probably out getting info for the government. Her b/f said "you're always disappearing". How come Americans are working for MI5?? (is that the number?)

I was too young when the Bay of Pigs happened (9 years old) so it came as a shock that the Marialitos were not the first prisoners Castro dumped on us. I had to lol @ "he won't hold onto the country for very long" said one of the officers. LOL, fooled him!

Flying sure has come a long way down. I didn't fly until 1970 and it still was a cool deal. They still wore uniforms. Little girls my age always wanted to grow up to be either nurses or stewardesses.
 
Old 09-26-2011, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Gilbert - Val Vista Lakes
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Thank you for your post, Captain Bill. It was highly informative. I have some of those Pan Am bags left from my grandfather from his flights.

I also was going to say that the missing stewardess, Bridgit, was probably out getting info for the government. Her b/f said "you're always disappearing". How come Americans are working for MI5?? (is that the number?)
Yes that's it. MI5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I didn't hear that part of the conversation. Don't know if it was my hearing, the background noise, or what, but I missed it.
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Flying sure has come a long way down. I didn't fly until 1970 and it still was a cool deal. They still wore uniforms. Little girls my age always wanted to grow up to be either nurses or stewardesses.
One of the pilots on the Pan Am flight that crashed in the water (and was never recovered) after take off from Tahiti was a friend and neighbor. My daughters were friends with his children.

After that crash, where he was killed, my daughters decided they would not want to be flight attendants. I never encouraged or discouraged them. It was up to them to decide on their career, for whatever reasons. Apparently, while they were never afraid to fly when I took them on trips, the crash that took their friends father's life had a lasting effect on them.
 
Old 09-26-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Kentucky
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Not that this has anything to do with the show, but I remember being seven years old back in 1984 and flying with my dad on Eastern airlines. The cockpit door was left open the entire flight and I was escorted by a stewardess to "tour" the cockpit. Boy how things have changed, huh? Ask to go see the cockpit nowadays and you will probably be arrested.
 
Old 09-26-2011, 05:19 PM
 
Location: East Side of ATL
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Thank you for your post, Captain Bill. It was highly informative. I have some of those Pan Am bags left from my grandfather from his flights.

I also was going to say that the missing stewardess, Bridgit, was probably out getting info for the government. Her b/f said "you're always disappearing". How come Americans are working for MI5?? (is that the number?)
She was working with the CIA who partners with MI5. The guy was testing her for the CIA to see if she can be trusted.
 
Old 09-26-2011, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Oh, just how boring can it get? All those rosy cheeked girls - yes GIRLS - never quite women. Lord, I did look forward to this but those characters really need rounding out and a lot fewer smiles and some real thinking going on. This first night reminded me of reading the Bobsy Twins when I was a kid. Clearly, it is written for the 'tween crowd or younger.
 
Old 09-26-2011, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Oh, just how boring can it get? All those rosy cheeked girls - yes GIRLS - never quite women. Lord, I did look forward to this but those characters really need rounding out and a lot fewer smiles and some real thinking going on. This first night reminded me of reading the Bobsy Twins when I was a kid. Clearly, it is written for the 'tween crowd or younger.
You have a point regarding their youthful looking appearance but if I recall, that is what the airlines were striving for back in the 60's. The stewardesses looked and were very young.

A friend of mine became a stewardess but didn't last long because she couldn't keep up the smiles. And she was told to always keep smiling.
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