The Walking Dead *SPOILER* Thread (tv show, television, cost, show)
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People are not considering Rick because of what Negan had said, but what Negan had said doesn't mean that Rick is 'safe'.
This is what he'd said shortly before he starts swinging, while standing in front of the person he killed..
"Anybody moves, anybody says anything, cut the boys other eye out and feed it to his father and then we'll start"
I'm not saying with 100% certainty that it's Rick who gets it, but I am saying..
1. Rick is still a possibility.
2. While Negan is making the comment "cut the boys other eye out" he kind of looks to his right (where Carl probably is) and when he says "and feed it to his father" he is looking directly at the person he ended up killing.
3. Negan knows that Rick is the leader of the group, and probably knows Rick has been the leader for a long time (he seems to somehow know a great deal about the group). Wouldn't the best strategy be to take out the leader of a group that you want to take over?
His comment about 'cutting the boys other eye out and feed it to his father and then we'll start' along with points 2 and 3, that I made above, have me guessing that it may be Rick
No, that is not what Negan said - this is: "Anybody moves, anybody says anything, cut the boy's other eye out and feed it to his father and then we'll start again."
You conveniently left the 'again' out.
If it was Carl who was going to get brained, carving out his eye after (that's where the 'again' comes in) a skull-crushing blow and before he inevitably dies isn't going to be much of a deterrent. And if it was Rick - well, after the sort of blow that was delivered, he'd hardly be in any position to eat anything.
Sorry, your claim makes no sense. If it was Rick or Carl, the writers would have just dropped out that part. The fact that they left it in clearly indicates that it was neither Carl nor Rick. This giveaway probably didn't concern them because, no, neither of those two characters are on the chopping block, and almost al of the audience knows this. Anyway, they're both just too critical to the upcoming Negan story arc.
And your point about Negan wanting to take out the leader - Negan specifically addressed that in his speech, stating that he didn't want to make a martyr of Rick. Again, there is no way the writers would have left that line in, then eliminated Rick.
The Walking Dead has some problems as a show, but sensible dialogue isn't one of them. Zero chance it's Carl. Zero chance it's Rick.
It's not Rick or Carl because Rick is the main character.
Without Rick the show would crumble. Who is next as leader?
Daryl? No, he doesn't speak to anyone except Carol and Rick.
Glenn? Maybe but his too young.
Michonne? No.
Abraham? Maybe but most likely not.
Carl MAYBE, but almost 0 chance. They have already killed children on TV, i.e Ron and Sam, so it's not that. Carl is not going to die. Unless Rick is going to stay the leader until the end.
He looks RIGHT when he says the boy, so he is looking at Carl.
If they care about filming sequence, then the person dying is to Rick's left, as you can see Negan walk to RIck's left when he says "are."
I have a feeling it is going to Abraham though.
But the most SENSE would be Daryl or Michonne. We need Rick to be CRAZY to win this. Did you see how many people were there on Negan's crew?
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Originally Posted by Unsettomati
No, that is not what Negan said - this is: "Anybody moves, anybody says anything, cut the boy's other eye out and feed it to his father and then we'll start again."
You conveniently left the 'again' out.
If it was Carl who was going to get brained, carving out his eye after (that's where the 'again' comes in) a skull-crushing blow and before he inevitably dies isn't going to be much of a deterrent. And if it was Rick - well, after the sort of blow that was delivered, he'd hardly be in any position to eat anything.
Sorry, your claim makes no sense. If it was Rick or Carl, the writers would have just dropped out that part. The fact that they left it in clearly indicates that it was neither Carl nor Rick. This giveaway probably didn't concern them because, no, neither of those two characters are on the chopping block, and almost al of the audience knows this. Anyway, they're both just too critical to the upcoming Negan story arc.
And your point about Negan wanting to take out the leader - Negan specifically addressed that in his speech, stating that he didn't want to make a martyr of Rick. Again, there is no way the writers would have left that line in, then eliminated Rick.
The Walking Dead has some problems as a show, but sensible dialogue isn't one of them. Zero chance it's Carl. Zero chance it's Rick.
It is impossible to 'conveniently' leave out a word that is not there. He did not say 'again' at the end of that particular sentence, or anywhere in that particular sentence for that matter.
"You (pause in speaking) are (longer pause in speaking) it (Negan is now in front of the person he kills). Anybody moves, anybody says anything, cut the boy's other eye out and feed it to his father and then we'll start. You can breath, you can blink, you can cry, hell you're all gonna be doing that." Then he swings the bat.
(The "Anybody moves...." sentence begins at about 1:06 in the video)
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IF Negan did indeed state that he would not make Rick a martyr then I agree Rick is not in danger of being the one. I'm not saying Negan didn't say it but rather I don't remember him saying it.
I don't think it's Michonne. I don't think Negan knows Michonne is Rick's girl yet. Negan probably would try to break Rick down before he kills him. He would probably try to steal Michonne from him, turn Carl against him or possibly kill him and THEN kill Rick. LOL
I have stopped trying to figure out who it is because we know these writers love toying with the audience and sometimes the writing is inconsistent. It will probably be somebody we are not expecting like Dwight, Aaron, or even that other guy who was doing all the talking before Negan came out of the RV. That's just the way Scott Gimple and company like to do.
Why is he the least plausible? I think people turning to cannibalism when they could still scavenge their own food and grow food isn't very plausible. What makes Negan less plausible than The Wolves? The Wolves - on one hand, they are smart & patient enough to set those walker traps for Daryl and Aaron, and had overrun several walled settlements, but otherwise seemed a disorganized & animalistic mob that Carol was able to defeat almost single-handedly. The Governor - a guy that keeps his undead daughter around and stores heads in jars? That's realistic?
If anything, I think Negan is the most plausible so far - a guy who is smart enough to have accumulated enough tough guys into his "gang" or his "kingdom" that they can subjugate others and have them work for him - it's kind of feudal in nature - Negan is the king, the Saviors are his men at arms/soldiers and places like Hilltop are vassals to him.
This has already been discussed ad nauseum, but the primary problem with Negan's group is its size and seeming dispersion. The lack of any kind of communication structure would make it impossible to control a group of that size spread across such a large area, especially in the manner in which Negan is said to control it-by sheer brutality and nothing else. The Governor had a small community with walls, safety, electricity, etc... The Wolves were smaller still and seemed to composed of a group of survivors who weren't wrapped too tight to begin with that someone how came together (they are also the least plausible of the plausible groups). The Termites again had walls and safety, and traded their humanity for said walls and safety, and food.
Negan's group on the other hand (which is much larger in the TV show than in the comics) is a vast army that seems to have no permanent settlement with which to rally the troops around. This makes it A: inherently unsafe, since they would be more susceptible to herds of walkers, attacks by other groups, etc...than Alexandria or the Hilltop, and B: easy for anyone to peel off and go find some other group to hook up with. How many people are going to put up with Negan burning half their face off with an iron and sleeping with their wife/girlfriend (since that seems to be the primary way he supposedly keeps people in line) before they say "F--- this, I'm out of here..." and they ride off into the night never to be seen again? With a group that size how would anyone even notice they were gone anyway?
Finally, the Governor was a true politician-he was a brutal psychopath, but his public face was that of a benevolent leader. The shady stuff was all done behind closed doors because he realized that people needed to see him the way the survivors see Rick. This was well illustrated when the Governor's army gave up after being repelled from the prison. When he lost his mind and started shooting people out of frustration they didn't fall in line-they tried to run. With a guy like Negan, between members leaving left and right, and those remaining staging bloody coup after bloody coup (remember, in Negan's group, whoever is most brutal is supposed to be the leader), the whole thing would fall apart in short order and whoever was left would scatter. Experience has shown us that the only groups that have any chance of long term stability are small groups with strong leaders and at least some sort of group consensus.
Negan is nothing more than comic book fantasy, and as I've said before, it was much more interesting when the show pulled away from the comic storyline to delve into the deeper sociological questions of how human beings might organize themselves in such a situation rather than just some doofus with a bat walking around playing t-ball with people's skulls.
can you cite any evidence from the show that the Saviors don't have a home base? Do you have any evidence that the most brutal person is supposed to be the leader of the Saviors? Has the show shown us anything about why Dwight is still with The Saviors?
Accept the show for what it is. It's based on the comics. The comics are nothing more than the group going from one villain to the next. There is very little in the way of rebuilding the greater society or answering any sociological questions.
Don't try to make the show more than what it aims to be.
Don't try to make the show more than what it aims to be.
The show, at least at times, is much more than the comics will ever be, simply because it's made for a much wider audience. The comics are meant to appeal to an extreme niche fanbase that only cares about blood, guts, and brutality. The TV show, from the very beginning went way beyond that, and should continue to IMO. Staying true to the Negan storyline is a huge step backward after six seasons of slow but steady progress.
The show, at least at times, is much more than the comics will ever be, simply because it's made for a much wider audience. The comics are meant to appeal to an extreme niche fanbase that only cares about blood, guts, and brutality. The TV show, from the very beginning went way beyond that, and should continue to IMO. Staying true to the Negan storyline is a huge step backward after six seasons of slow but steady progress.
The show has not gone way beyond the comics. While minor details have changed, they have kept to 90% or more of the original narrative. As I type this, I can pretty much tell you what's going to happen over the next two seasons.
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