Flipping Out (character, celebrity, television, show)

[baybook]

You may own 2 sites, but your comments really let me know that you don't know how things are done. Not trying to be mean, but I am serious - I really think you are misinformed.

It takes planning to redirect traffic for a search term. If you and I have design businesses, it is no accident if people searching for you are directed to me. That's not accidental at all.

Let's remove oney from the equation and talk about friendship. A friendship of 10 years???
Last night Jeff said Ryan developed Jeff's website for him. You are my FRIEND. You develop a website for me that will not be listed in search engines. I'll give Ryan a pass on that. Prehaps he really did not know this. Funny, his sites are .com but maybe he really didn't know that a .tv site is basically worthless. OK. I'll give him a pass. I would not give my friend a pass if he developed a site for me, with a worthless domain, then advertised and marketed HIS site using my NAME. A friend does not do this. That's the crux for me. Sure technically, can you??? Sure. Should you?? No. NOT if the person is your friend. That IS deceptive. And like I said before, if Walmart did it to Target, they'd get a cease and desist demand faster then you could blink.

Special people in our lives don't do things to hurt one another. If I were Jeff, I would have been hurt that my FRIEND thought so little of our friendship.

Originally Posted by bayarea-girl

baybook, I actually own two sites and I thought Ryan made good valid points about what happened that we didn't see on the show. Jeff should have had a direct conversation with his friend and business partner to clear things up. To me it was a huge communication problem they had. It is clear that Jeff is very paranoid and creates problems when there are none. Again, Ryan was in the design business and Jeff just got into it.

Jeff did not have contact information or a website of his own. He knew Ryan was developing a site, I don't think he hid that from him. Why would Jeff even want to combine a link on Ryan's site to get business? That just doesn't make sense and creates problems altogether, that is called bad business planning. Re-watch the show and you will see where Jeff admits to some things he should have done differently and or has no understanding about.

I doubt Ryan needed to take business away from Jeff. Jeff is very mistrusting. Like I said before Jeff should have cut off the business relationship if Ryan meant anything to him and continued the personal one. Special people in your lives you don't just let go over $$.

Also, anyone can have a google ad which pop up all over the place, you can put up anyones name and or any business in the search engine, which is not a big deal at all everyone does it. There was no dummy website that was used as Jeff's site so there is no harm. Have you seen Ryan's site there are no deceptive links on there either and or any language that makes it seem like it is Jeff and Ryan's office. Again, Jeff said it himself there was no proof he had just an assumption of guilt. People that aren't making money often get really crazy!. After watching the show from my initial comments about the whole thing I still believe Ryan didn't do anything deceptive.

[DreamWeavin]

Originally Posted by baybook

You may own 2 sites, but your comments really let me know that you don't know how things are done. Not trying to be mean, but I am serious - I really think you are misinformed.

It takes planning to redirect traffic for a search term. If you and I have design businesses, it is no accident if people searching for you are directed to me. That's not accidental at all.

Let's remove oney from the equation and talk about friendship. A friendship of 10 years???
Last night Jeff said Ryan developed Jeff's website for him. You are my FRIEND. You develop a website for me that will not be listed in search engines. I'll give Ryan a pass on that. Prehaps he really did not know this. Funny, his sites are .com but maybe he really didn't know that a .tv site is basically worthless. OK. I'll give him a pass. I would not give my friend a pass if he developed a site for me with a worthless domain, then advertised and marketed HIS site using my NAME. A friend does not do this. That's the crux for me. Sure technically, can you??? Sure. Should you?? No. NOt if the person is your friend. That IS deceptive. And like I said before, if Walmart were did it to Target, they'd get a cease and desst demand faster then you could blink.

Special people in our lives don't do things to hurt one another. If I were Jeff, I would have been hurt that FRIEND thought so little of our friendship.

~stands to applaud your post!~

[Jaxson]

I think Ryan is guilty. His name is not known as well as Jeff Lewis so people will use Jeff's name more in searching. Heck I don't even remember Ryan's last name until all this mess started.

Don't want to say I felt sorry for Jeff last night, as he causes drama also, but you could see his raw feelings and how deep this has gone. Ryan sat there all calm, cool & collected the whole time. Almost smug like.

Loved the finding Jenni's apt but I hope Jeff doesn't just "drop in" on her like when she rented from him. That is a boundary he needs to learn business life and private life.

[bayarea-girl]

baybook, you might be misinformed but what I gather from the show, Jeff did not hire Ryan to develop his website. Jeff didn't have a phone number and or address to leave his customers and acknolwedges this, have you read the bravo site for Jeff's/Ryan's side? Ryan did not redirect traffic from Jeff's site and if that was the case Jeff would have said so, a dummy site would need to be created for that to even happen. If Jeff was so worried why didn't he ask to be involved in the development of the site? Jeff didn't like the fact that Ryan purchased ad space that targeted Jeff's name, there is no foul here people do this even Target if I was in business with this guy I would do the same thing because they are both on the same show. There would be no cease and deceast order because there is nothing wrong. That is why Jeff can't say Ryan stole anything from him.

Ryan has been known for design work and Jeff for flipping houses two different types of businesses. Ryan did not steal design business from Jeff in my opinion. Don't think he ever needed to, just because people know Jeff from the show doesn't mean that Ryan has less business and or that the show made him.

[Sunnnee]

Who cares, they aren't paying my dam bills. When they start supporting my a--, pay my car payment, rent etc, then I will give a dam. All I care about is Zoila. She is the dam show! ZOILA RULES!

[bayarea-girl]

Sunnnee, I agree with you!!!! I'm not loosing sleep over this at all just expressing my point of view. Hopefully, Jeff and Ryan can work things out. Zoila is amazing!!!!!!!

Also, I'm sure Jenny uses the show to promote herself too on castings. I'm glad she still remained to be friends with Ryan.

[Lakewooder]

Roomba is a BIG BICH!!!

[DreamWeavin]

Originally Posted by Lakewooder

Roomba is a BIG BICH!!!

LMAO!!!!

[baybook]

Like I said, you do not have an understanding for how search engines, web dev, pay for placement advertising and search engine marketing work together.


On last night's recap, Jeff said Ryan
1) set up Google links using Jeff's name. Ryan said this was just good business during their confrontation a few weeks ago.

2) developed a website for Jeff (since Ryan had developed his own) using a .tv domain. Ryan admitted this and on air last night and said he didn't know that was a bad idea. I'm not sure why you are saying Ryan didn't do this. They discussed it last night.

I've been doing web dev for over 12 years. I definitely know what I am talking about from the technical point of view ... and in my opinion from an ethical point of view. There is a reason why we are not allowed to infringe on copyrights and trade marks. Target and Walmart do NOT do this.

I don't know what Ryan gained or didn't gain from his actions. That doesn't matter to me. His intent was shady and his behavior was unethical when it comes to one's business partner and friend of over 10 years.

The fact that this is something you would do if you were in Ryan's shoes speaks to your ethics. I don't think most people view this as ok. They were not just competitors, they were partners. Not only were they business partners, they were friends and at one point lovers. His child has a relationship with her Uncle Jeff. It's a 10 year relationship.

Come on. You shouldn't do everything that you CAN do. And if Ryan didn't gain anything from his actions, he should really feel badly. Ruin a long term relationship and what did he really gain???

Originally Posted by bayarea-girl

baybook, you might be misinformed but what I gather from the show, Jeff did not hire Ryan to develop his website. Jeff didn't have a phone number and or address to leave his customers and acknolwedges this, have you read the bravo site for Jeff's/Ryan's side? Ryan did not redirect traffic from Jeff's site and if that was the case Jeff would have said so, a dummy site would need to be created for that to even happen. If Jeff was so worried why didn't he ask to be involved in the development of the site? Jeff didn't like the fact that Ryan purchased ad space that targeted Jeff's name, there is no foul here people do this even Target if I was in business with this guy I would do the same thing because they are both on the same show. There would be no cease and deceast order because there is nothing wrong. That is why Jeff can't say Ryan stole anything from him.

Ryan has been known for design work and Jeff for flipping houses two different types of businesses. Ryan did not steal design business from Jeff in my opinion. Don't think he ever needed to, just because people know Jeff from the show doesn't mean that Ryan has less business and or that the show made him.

[bayarea-girl]

Let's not take this to a personal level because we don't know one another. So you know nothing about my ethics.

Marketing and web development are two different things. How do you know what domain name Jeff authorized or not? If he didn't like the domain name why didn't he tell Ryan to get another one? Jeff wasn't too invloved with the site and sees Ryan making money so assumes that he took business away from him. That is just ridiculous to me.

Where are the copy right infringements? Ryan didn't say come look at my site because this is Jeff Lewis' office nor did he take text from Jeff and make it his own, that is copy right infringement. Jeff doesn't have a case and if he did I'm sure they would be in court. Google marketing is very specific and not complicated at all, if you don't have the rights to the site you can't even advertise.

My competitors use my name all the time, ALL THE TIME!!!! There is nothing, nothing I can do about it.