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As for the Oceanic 6 I think the plane they were on quite litterally passed through where flight 815 had flashed and simply "jumpped" to the island as 815 flashed away. We did see one of those bright flashes. Only a theory but is possible.
Now, once Locke did his turn of the Donkey Wheel, maybe the time flashes quieted down to a point where Jin and the gang are on stable ground, or not - who knows?
I am going to guess that Desmond Kicked Ben's butt and protected Penny from the wrath of Benjamin Linus. Little old Benry seemed quite upset at the time, not the sound of victory in his voice. And so we also know that the Island is not yet done with Desmond. Maybe he is going to end up sailing back with Penny and little Charlie.
I will bet that there will be some new island residents from flight 316, that was piloted by Frank (for rxgrrl) who was the cleaned-up version of the Chopper Pilot. It's entirely possible that only the Oceanic 6 made the jump but since Locke is going to come along too, so may the entire flight 316 passengers and crew. If only fomer islanders make the jump, does Frank disappear from the cockpit? Holy Bermuda Triangle Batman!
-okay, immediately upon finishing the episode, I was a bit iffy about it. I wasn't sure how much I liked it compared to last week's episode. then I realize that the reason I was iffy about it is because unlike last week's episode (and several episodes we got this season), they really didn't give us too many answers. in fact, I now have a ton more questions! I think the previous week's episode spoiled me in terms of getting immediate answers! now I think it was an overall good episode
-is it just me, of did Ms Hawking not really give a damn about her son? you'd think she'd be a bit worried about her son being on that Island that's dangerously unstable. that relationship needs some more looking into
-I think Kate bought Aaron to Claire's mom. not much time has passed since they visited her in "The Little Prince"-in fact I think it was the same night. I think Kate just went back and said something along the lines of "Aaron is your grandson, if you don't believe me, get a DNA test" but didn't give too much away. that could explain her mood when Jack found her and could explain why she wanted to go back to the Island (b/c she no longer had, to quote an episode title, something nice back home)
-I agree w/ the idea of Ben being beat up by Desmond, though I don't think at that time Ben really knew how Desmond was or his connection to Widmore. the only other possibility I can think of is that Sayid beat up Ben
-okay, this REALLY bugs me and I hope the writers explain it later on. how the heck did Kate, Hurley, and Sayid get on that flight? isn't part of Kate's parole is that she not leave LA? wouldn't her passport had been confiscated? Hurley was in jail on murder charges a short while ago. even if he was cleared of those charges, he's still an escaped mental patient, and the public may have remembered the news reports when he was on the run. I'm surprised no one questioned why he was on the plane. and what's the deal w/ Sayid. even if he got himself arrested (or maybe Ben ratted him out...) for all the stuff he did, why is he on the plane? why is he being sent to Guam?
-IDK, it that was me, if I saw 5 of the Oceanic 6 coming onto my plane, I'd be scared and want off! it's too creepy. I loved Frank's response when he saw everyone: "we're not going to Guam, are we?". I feel bad for Frank, as a pilot, he must have had thoughts of returning back to LA and not risk another plane crash w/ Jack and Co on board. I wonder how much Jack told him.
-I honestly don' think Ajira flight 316 crashed on the Island. I think that when the plane passed through the window, the O6 just flashed through time and disappeared from the plane. it would explain how they flashed into another time. plus, this time around, we don't have the Swan to bring down another plane (though I'm sure there are some other wonky stuff on the Island that can bring down a plane). anyways, I doubt they'd want to stage yet another plane crash and bring on more crash survivors (the guy that spoke to Jack in the airport seemed like a likely new character for this season, but probably not)
-I think the rest of the Losties (Sawyer's group) flashed to the same time period Daniel was in in the season opener. they somehow got themselves hired by DHARMA in order to infiltrate the program.Juliet already knows the ins and outs, so it wouldn't have been that hard
-I love how snarky Ben is!
Jack: how can you read?
Ben: my mother taught me
I wonder if Ben knew the plane wasn't going to crash which is why he was so calm
No worries Amy. It was a great episode to be sure so I can understand your excitement.
The Lamp Post. Perfect name for that off Island Dharma station. It literally shows or "lights" your the way to the Island. Interesting too that one of the items that we see in there is a photo with U.S. military markings indicating a date of 1954, which of course ties into the "Jughead" episode.
I thought it was funny that everyone kept asking Hurley how it was that he knew to be at the airport and be on the plane. He was carrying a clue with him. The guitar case...Hurley doesn't play the guitar but Charlie did.
Nice touch with re-creating almost exactly the circumstances of Flight 815. I could be mistaken but wasn't Sayid the one that was behind Jack in the airport in Sydney and expressed his sympathy for the passing of his father? And now we have an Arab man doing the same thing in the airport in Los Angeles. Last time it was Kate that was in custody and being put on the plane in handcuffs. Now it was Sayid. Did the female agent escorting Sayid remind anyone else of Ana Lucia? First thing that popped into my head when I saw her and heard her speak.
Could be wrong but I have a suspicion of what Ben's little side trip was all about. In the church he commented that he made a promise to an old friend and that it was a loose end that he needed to tie up. When Ben made the phone call to Jack, he was beat up, wet, and on a pay phone at what appeared to be a marina. Well if you remember back to this little exchange:
Widmore:......."Once again I ask you: Why are you here?"
Ben: "I'm here Charles to tell you that I'm going to kill your daughter. Penelope is it? And once she's gone, once she is dead, then you will understand how I feel. And you'll wish you hadn't changed the rules."
Who has a boat? Desmond. And didn't Penny come along to Los Angeles with Desmond? Don't know if they traveled by boat but going after Penny sure would be Ben keeping a promise to "an old friend".
Ben's response to the question about what would happen to the rest of the people on the plane was classic...."Who cares?"
Now we know why when Christian Shepard appeared on the Island he was sporting those spiffy white tennis shoes. Jack put them on him because he didn't want to waste the money or time to buy good shoes to bury his father in. Funny that they end up needing Christian's shoes as a way to get back to the Island.
Given that Jin was wearing a DHARMA jumpsuit and driving a DHARMA van, the 815er's must have arrived back in time to a point when DHARMA was alive and well on the Island. Perhaps the Island has become stuck in the past and those left behind (Sawyer, Jin, Daniel, etc.) have infiltrated DHARMA and are living among them. That would in one way explain Charlotte's story about the crazy man that scared her being Daniel.
One thing didn't make sense to me though concerning the Island. Ms. Hawking said that the Island was constantly moving so that's why it could never be found. If that is the case, why then the need to move the Island in order to save it? Why move something that is already moving on it's own?
Locke's suicide note addressed to Jack...Couldn't quite tell if it said "I wish that you had believed me" or "I wish that you had believed in me". Either way, it highlights the core of the conflict that always existed between Locke and Jack. Locke believed they were destined to be on the Island. Jack just thought Locke was obsessed and crazy. Locke had faith where Jack had none. Locke wasn't always right but most of the time he was. And seeing all that has happened, couldn't a lot of it been avoided if Jack had had more faith in Locke and listened to him?
It looks like next week's episode is going to be even better. Can't wait.
The first half hour was a bit boring and the part with his granddad wasn't necessary, imo. But all in all that was a great episode.
And btw, Ceasar, the new character (the guy that gave condolences to Jack at the airport) also starred with Jack in the movie "Vantage Point".
-I think Kate bought Aaron to Claire's mom. not much time has passed since they visited her in "The Little Prince"-in fact I think it was the same night. I think Kate just went back and said something along the lines of "Aaron is your grandson, if you don't believe me, get a DNA test" but didn't give too much away. that could explain her mood when Jack found her and could explain why she wanted to go back to the Island (b/c she no longer had, to quote an episode title, something nice back home)
I have a feeling Kate brought Aaron to Cassidy's house. Think about it, no one knows who she is or that she's connected to Sawyer, Clementine would have a playmate, no one would ever find him. Makes sense to me.
I'm curious to see whether or not Frank Lapidus does end up on the Island with everyone else. I had forgotten that he was set to be the original pilot of Flight 815 but ended up being replaced at the last minute. Seems like maybe he was supposed to be there in the first place. Wonder what role he was meant to play the first time around and if he is back there with the Oceanic 6, what it will be now?
I have a feeling Kate brought Aaron to Cassidy's house. Think about it, no one knows who she is or that she's connected to Sawyer, Clementine would have a playmate, no one would ever find him. Makes sense to me.
I read this theory last night and think it might be true. It makes sense and would also be one of the reasons Kate wouldn't want Jack asking about Aaron because the fact that she was doing a favor for Sawyer is the reason (or at least one of them) they broke up in the first place.
I have a feeling Kate brought Aaron to Cassidy's house. Think about it, no one knows who she is or that she's connected to Sawyer, Clementine would have a playmate, no one would ever find him. Makes sense to me.
now that you mention it, that makes even more sense. I am 100% certain that the favor Sawyer whispered to Kate before he jumped out of the 'copter was to look after his daughter Clementine and I think Kate was talking to Cassidy that time Jack catches her on the phone. plus, it would be so cute if Kate's "son" and Sawyer's daughter hung out together, though Clem would likely be a bit older (I can't remember the timeline for Sawyer's jail time)
this episode got me thinking of Stephen King's The Langoliers today. we know for a fact that the writers like to toss in SK references and some of his books may provide insight onto the the show. a very quick, hopefully not-too-spoilery review of the story (I may just white this part out, don't want to spoil the story for anyone, highlight to read): a plane flying cross country goes through a window in the air. several passengers disappear and the remaining passengers find that they have been transported to the immediate past (hard to explain). I think something similar, but reversed happened w/ the O6 when they went through the window
now that you mention it, that makes even more sense. I am 100% certain that the favor Sawyer whispered to Kate before he jumped out of the 'copter was to look after his daughter Clementine and I think Kate was talking to Cassidy that time Jack catches her on the phone. plus, it would be so cute if Kate's "son" and Sawyer's daughter hung out together, though Clem would likely be a bit older (I can't remember the timeline for Sawyer's jail time)
this episode got me thinking of Stephen King's The Langoliers today. we know for a fact that the writers like to toss in SK references and some of his books may provide insight onto the the show. a very quick, hopefully not-too-spoilery review of the story (I may just white this part out, don't want to spoil the story for anyone, highlight to read): a plane flying cross country goes through a window in the air. several passengers disappear and the remaining passengers find that they have been transported to the immediate past (hard to explain). I think something similar, but reversed happened w/ the O6 when they went through the window
The favor Sawyer asked of Kate was to tell his daughter "I'm sorry."
No worries Amy. It was a great episode to be sure so I can understand your excitement.
The Lamp Post. Perfect name for that off Island Dharma station. It literally shows or "lights" your the way to the Island. Interesting too that one of the items that we see in there is a photo with U.S. military markings indicating a date of 1954, which of course ties into the "Jughead" episode.
I thought it was funny that everyone kept asking Hurley how it was that he knew to be at the airport and be on the plane. He was carrying a clue with him. The guitar case...Hurley doesn't play the guitar but Charlie did.
Nice touch with re-creating almost exactly the circumstances of Flight 815. I could be mistaken but wasn't Sayid the one that was behind Jack in the airport in Sydney and expressed his sympathy for the passing of his father? And now we have an Arab man doing the same thing in the airport in Los []Angeles.
Except that he's not an Arab. His name, acc. to Lostpedia, is "Caesar." That suggests a Hispanic ethnicity, or perhaps an Italian one.
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Last time it was Kate that was in custody and being put on the plane in handcuffs. Now it was Sayid. Did the female agent escorting Sayid remind anyone else of Ana Lucia? First thing that popped into my head when I saw her and heard her speak.
She reminded me more of America Ferreira.
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Who has a boat? Desmond. And didn't Penny come along to Los Angeles with Desmond? Don't know if they traveled by boat but going after Penny sure would be Ben keeping a promise to "an old friend".
However, to have done that would have entailed P & D sailing from England to Los Angeles in a few days. Presuming they don't go around Cape Horn and take the Panama Canal shortcut, it would still take many weeks. I'm guessing Desmond flew.
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Given that Jin was wearing a DHARMA jumpsuit and driving a DHARMA van, the 815er's must have arrived back in time to a point when DHARMA was alive and well on the Island. Perhaps the Island has become stuck in the past and those left behind (Sawyer, Jin, Daniel, etc.) have infiltrated DHARMA and are living among them. That would in one way explain Charlotte's story about the crazy man that scared her being Daniel.
And it would explain Daniel's presence at the Orchid station when they first discover the frozen donkey wheel.
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Locke's suicide note addressed to Jack...Couldn't quite tell if it said "I wish that you had believed me" or "I wish that you had believed in me".
The first one. And of course, John (Locke) 3:16 says, "I am the Resurrection and the Life; whosoever believeth in me, though he were dead, will have eternal life."
The first one. And of course, John (Locke) 3:16 says, "I am the Resurrection and the Life; whosoever believeth in me, though he were dead, will have eternal life."
Are you sure? I could've sworn the word following "believed" began with an "i." That's what I saw, anyway.
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Your post is exactly my response!
