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I've gotten use to them in general, but this one was REALLY long.
To me, tonight's was 'meh'. I could do without the porn.
And it's gross that he said he is an actual sexual sadist - is this 50 shades now?????
Sexuality is an integral theme in the series of books. It would be difficult to do justice to them if the TV version skipped over it, and, believe me, it gets more intense.
The sadist reference was meant in jest, but it foreshadows later events. Stay tuned.
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No, definitely not. No worries. I'm very upset though with the way they handled it. They had to include her getting the strap, which was controversial for some reason, but they didn't include my favorite part of the whole thing. How could they leave out Jamie telling Claire about all the times he got punished himself? It's one of my favorite parts of the book. It seems they sacrificed that so they could include that bit about the money for Bonny Prince Charlie, which doesn't even play out prominently until next season when they get to the second book (Dragonfly in Amber).
They're also playing up Laoghaire drama, and changing Colum into Dougal's dupe. I much prefer book Colum to this guy. Book Colum was brilliantly devious, and far smarter than Dougal. Why would Colum want Jamie to be able to take over the clan? Seems weird when he has a son waiting to take over? It doesn't make sense. I most definitely liked book version on Colum Mackenzie.
The only thing it seems meant to do is introduce the idea that Jamie is totally unsuitable as a candidate to tame over Clan Mackenzie.
We may yet see Jamie explain his own experiences with the strap. There are a lot more episodes to come.
I do not see Colum as Dougal's "dupe". Part of the difficulty with the adaptation is that there is so much detail in the novels. It would take eight years to tell the story of a single book in order to cram them all in. We will see all the key events, I suspect, but only a smattering of the everyday life stuff. For example, Claire's interest in medicinal plants has barely been touched upon. The bit with the money for Prince Charlie has been altered just because the story line as told in the book would take too long to present. Remember that things are moving toward the disaster at Culloden. We need to know who the Jacobites are.
Dougal does see Jamie as a threat to be Laird. One web site I read explained that the position of Laird was not always passed from father to son. The clan chief would be elected from a group of relatives of the previous chief. Since Jamie is Colum's nephew, he would be a viable candidate in the system and a threat to Hamish (who is Dougal's biological son - a situation which arose because in the book Colum's physical disability is part of a condition which also causes infertility*. Dougal fathered Hamish with Colum's knowledge). Hamish is very young, and the possibility that Colum would die before Hamish was ready to be chief is very real. It does not matter that Jamie does not want the position. If Randall would leave him alone, he'd love to go back home and just be a farmer and raise his own family. That is why he chose not to officially swear fealty to Colum at the Gathering. Doing so would probably have resulted in Dougal killing him.
*Toulouse-Lautrec Syndrome, although it appears in reality that people with it have normal fertility.
Last night's episode reminded me of how much I hated Laoghaire in the books.
Still hate her. Manipulative little female dog. And Jamie's too nice to her.
But it was nice to know how to finally pronounce the name, LOL (LEE-ree)
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And it's gross that he said he is an actual sexual sadist - is this 50 shades now?????
Note that Jamie said "I said I was going to punish you. I didn’t say I wasn’t going to enjoy it.” If anything, Claire is the one who likes to bite I actually thought the pre-spanking scene was funny. And the spanking itself - no big deal. It's 1743.
“You are my home now.”
Heavy sigh!
The last 10 minutes - I swear it was only 30 seconds long
Thank you for reminding me of that - I haven't read the books but it seemed UBER odd that he'd be insulted at Jamie taking a wife that would ensure he could not ever be Laird. Massive ego? I mean, because like you said, he'd want it to go to 'his' son........
Marriages .......best I think to call them alliances. Either with clan members.....or other clans. Also marriages were looked at as commercial contracts in a way.....with livestock, lands, etc. to the Clan laird.
Jamie married an Englishwoman! With nothing!
Jamie's only link with Dougal and Collum is through his mother, Ellen. Who eloped with Brian Fraser. This putting him between a rock and hard place, so to speak. Thus, part of his internal "struggle".
I didn't see any issues with the the characterizations of Dougal and Collum in this episode. When Collum gets quiet................
Sexuality is an integral theme in the series of books. It would be difficult to do justice to them if the TV version skipped over it, and, believe me, it gets more intense.
The sadist reference was meant in jest, but it foreshadows later events. Stay tuned.
We may yet see Jamie explain his own experiences with the strap. There are a lot more episodes to come.
I do not see Colum as Dougal's "dupe". Part of the difficulty with the adaptation is that there is so much detail in the novels. It would take eight years to tell the story of a single book in order to cram them all in. We will see all the key events, I suspect, but only a smattering of the everyday life stuff. For example, Claire's interest in medicinal plants has barely been touched upon. The bit with the money for Prince Charlie has been altered just because the story line as told in the book would take too long to present. Remember that things are moving toward the disaster at Culloden. We need to know who the Jacobites are.
Dougal does see Jamie as a threat to be Laird. One web site I read explained that the position of Laird was not always passed from father to son. The clan chief would be elected from a group of relatives of the previous chief. Since Jamie is Colum's nephew, he would be a viable candidate in the system and a threat to Hamish (who is Dougal's biological son - a situation which arose because in the book Colum's physical disability is part of a condition which also causes infertility*. Dougal fathered Hamish with Colum's knowledge). Hamish is very young, and the possibility that Colum would die before Hamish was ready to be chief is very real. It does not matter that Jamie does not want the position. If Randall would leave him alone, he'd love to go back home and just be a farmer and raise his own family. That is why he chose not to officially swear fealty to Colum at the Gathering. Doing so would probably have resulted in Dougal killing him.
*Toulouse-Lautrec Syndrome, although it appears in reality that people with it have normal fertility.
I know Dougal sees Jamie as a threat, but the show makes it seem that Colum wants Jamie to be able to take over. I know they still have time to show Colum in a different light, but right now it seems that Colum is just being pulled along by events instead of being the puppet master. The real Colum would never need Young Jamie telling him what to do, but he did object to Dougal's rebellion. At least they got that part right.
I understand the need to change things to move the story along faster, but this war among the clansmen is annoying. I don't like that one direction it seems to be taking.
And who was Jamie duelling with in a future espisode? Is that supposed to be Sandringham? Or maybe a flashback to his time in France?
I know Dougal sees Jamie as a threat, but the show makes it seem that Colum wants Jamie to be able to take over. I know they still have time to show Colum in a different light, but right now it seems that Colum is just being pulled along by events instead of being the puppet master. The real Colum would never need Young Jamie telling him what to do, but he did object to Dougal's rebellion. At least they got that part right.
I understand the need to change things to move the story along faster, but this war among the clansmen is annoying. I don't like that one direction it seems to be taking.
And who was Jamie duelling with in a future espisode? Is that supposed to be Sandringham? Or maybe a flashback to his time in France?
The clan politics is part of the overall story.
Colum realizes he will not grow old. He understands that it would be dangerous for the clan, who might choose Dougal as its chief, if Colum dies before Hamish is old enough to be truly mature enough to assume the position. The advice from Jamie is not part of the book, but it is believable. Colum realizes that Jamie is savvy beyond his actual age. The bit at the Gathering to get out of swearing fealty is telling in that regard.
I'm not sure about the duel. I cannot tell who it is from the brief glimpse we see in the preview. Not Sandringham, though.
Colum realizes he will not grow old. He understands that it would be dangerous for the clan, who might choose Dougal as its chief, if Colum dies before Hamish is old enough to be truly mature enough to assume the position. The advice from Jamie is not part of the book, but it is believable. Colum realizes that Jamie is savvy beyond his actual age. The bit at the Gathering to get out of swearing fealty is telling in that regard.
I'm not sure about the duel. I cannot tell who it is from the brief glimpse we see in the preview. Not Sandringham, though.
I first read this book nearly 18 years ago. I know all the ins and outs of the different relationships, characters, etc. One thing I know for sure is that Colum and Dougal are two sides to the same coin (though Dougal is not the brains of the outfit). Colum is the Machiavellian master who makes all the plans and takes care of the clan. Dougal is his legs to go out and collect rents, rieve cattle, and fight their little pitched battles with other clans. Both of them want to make sure Hamish becomes Chieftain after Colum, and if he's still too young, that Dougal can help him. They most assuredly do not want Jamie as Chieftan. His natural leadership abilities and strong resemblance to his grandfather make him very appealing to the other members of the clan, whereas Dougal is known as a hot head and not one to think things through before getting himself and clan into bad situations.
That's why neither man wanted Jamie at the Gathering, but in the show so far it seems as if Colum is open to the idea of Jamie taking over as chieftain. This is not a spoiler since all this was in the part about the Gathering, which happened before they all went on the road to collect the rents.
The only things Dougal has ever done without first being told to do it by Colum was start that feud with another clan Colum was trying to get an alliance with, and collect moneys to restore the Stuarts to the throne. I guess I could see Colum not wanting Dougal as Chieftain since he's such a hot head and seems hellbent on getting the clan into a Stuart rebellion, but it was so opposite of how that was in the book. Colum was so adament that Jamie have no part of the leadership of the clan.
To me there was no need to change this particular part of the show to move the story along. There was far more intrigue than what I think they're going for in the next few episodes. I realize it's television so things will have to change. I just wish it wasn't this particular thing. And maybe they'll get there in the end, but it seems all those cards are already on the table and they're going in a different direction.
I'm surprised there isn't a thread started for "Outlander" because in my way of thinking, it's pretty darn good!
anyone else watching the show....do you like it, or not, and why?
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I actually thought the pre-spanking scene was funny. And the spanking itself - no big deal. It's 1743.
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