Jon & Kate plus 8 (location, shows, house, character)

[jfkIII]

I can't wait for SNL to do a Gosselin skit.

[mainegirl]

Originally Posted by JerseyG

What does Kate's hair have to do with her parenting? Or any plastic surgery?

While I agree with you that it was kind of stupid that Jon got both his ears pierced, I am surprised at your double standard way of thinking. What Kate's hair do, her plastic surgery, her tattooed ankle, her new expanded wardrobe, her tanning and going to the "spa" as she calls it is JUST as bad as Jon getting earrings. It's ok for her to splurge all kinds of money and time on herself but not Jon ? I disagree.

Originally Posted by JerseyG

I don't "hate" Jon.

Isn't this exactly what Kate said in last night's episode ??

Originally Posted by JerseyG

He's an idiot. He's a passive/aggressive immature male specimen.

He admitted to being passive on last night's episode, and that it caught up with him. What would you have to say if he put her in her place every time she spoke to him as if he was a child and rolled her eyes when he DID express his feelings ? What if the news got out that he hauled off and slapped that dead beaver hair do off her head ? Then you'd be mad that he was being agressive.

Originally Posted by JerseyG

Unfortunately, when he was in love with his wife (minus the bling-bling in his ears)

unfortunately for who? His life hasn't been a picnic living with her, I sure as hell wouldn't live with someone that acts like her.

Originally Posted by JerseyG

he conceeded to having an adult relationship with her and brigning children into the world. To the tune of 8 children.

Yes and so did she. But apparently it's ok that she is gone most of the time with a male body guard by her side traipsing all over the country, after talking Jon into quitting his job to stay home with the kids.

Originally Posted by JerseyG

You don't bow out and get so "excited" to start a new chapter in your life b/c other male losers and beaten down women in the world of the internet "feel" for you. You man up and live up to your obligations. You don't cheat. You communicate with your spouse and you work it out.

Do you live in that house with them ? Are you one of Kate's confidant's ? How do you know exactly what happened ? You don't know if and how many times he expressed his feelings towards her. None of us really do.

Originally Posted by JerseyG

Kate's been a mother to 9.

Yes, you keep repeating that over and over, we get it.

Originally Posted by JerseyG

There's a difference between passive/aggressive behavior (Jon) and Kate being the man in the relationship.

And there is a difference between being passive agressive, and being outright agressive. Again, you'd be tearing him to pieces if he put her in her place, which I think he should have done a long time ago.

Originally Posted by JerseyG

Funny how a strong woman who knows what her role is and does it quite well is the *****...but when it's the man, he's the C freakin EO and everyone bows down to him...while the sniffling wife eats it with no one to avenge her.

I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with a woman being strong and being able to take care of herself and her kids without a man. However, it doesn't make it right for a woman to be verbally and emotionally abusive to anyone. You fail to see or admit that Kate had anything to do with the failure of this marriage. She even admitted that she was too hard on him, but it was too little too late.

I don't think that Jon is entirely innocent in this situation at all. The way he is behaving now reminds me of a 20 something year old. However, ever since a couple of seasons ago when I noticed that Kate was always correcting him, sometimes to the point where she was berating him, I knew that this marriage was going to end. Nobody in their right mind would take that, and if the shoe were on the other foot where he was constantly talking down to her and being a control freak, we would be having an entirely different situation between them.

[mainegirl]

Originally Posted by Omaha Rocks

I'm with ya.

Everything about this just disgusts me. But what disgusts me most is that they seem to have not even tried to work out their differences.

I honestly believe that 90% of all divorces could be avoided if only the couple were willing to seek counseling and DO THE WORK to make their marriage good!

Agree with you here. I was hoping they were going to announce that they decided to cease filming, go for marital counseling and work on their family, rather than continue to go on with this horse crap. If TLC cared as much about this family as they pretend to, they would let them out of the contract they have. But again, it's about the almighty dollar, on both sides of the contract.

I sat there and shook my head at both of them. Kate with her "poor me, I allowed myself to have a half day melt down" and at some things Jon said as well.

I noticed that Kate threw in that doing the show had NOTHING to do with the dissolution of their marriage. She is trying to justify everything she does, and is in serious denial. I believe that her stubborness has finally caught up to her and taken a big bite out of her backside.

All married couples have problems at one time or another. Certainly, adding in the factor of having 8 children multiplies that. However, going on television to exploit their 8 children to make money for money and fame is probably a MAJOR factor in the dissolution of their marriage. Many many people have commented that Kate has turned into a control freak diva monster over the past couple of years. I have seen editorials on how she is rude to people, especially the fans that stand in line for hours to meet her. Add to that Jon behaving like a college kid, blaming it all on the fact that "he had 8 kids by the time he was 27 wah wah.".. and there you have it. I am saddened by all of this, but really don't feel sorry for either of them. It's the kids that are going to suffer. But hey... at least they will continue to get freebies galore and grow up thinking they are entitled, because mom and dad are going to keep going with the show.

[Roselvr]

Originally Posted by rkb0305

Do you mean you'd stop because TLC was making you look worse than you really were? That makes sense. It is interesting that Kate doesn't seem to defend herself, or say "it was edited to look worse than it was." She's kind of matter of fact about the way she treats Jon. That makes me think it isn't too far from reality.

Yes, I would stop if they were making me look worst.

Originally Posted by ajzjmsmom

I think someone already said that if Jon dared talk to Kate the way she talks to him, the public would throw a fit, in our society it seems to be okay for a woman to talk to a man that way but if a man does it, it is tantamount to abuse. And as I sit listening to the show tonight a previous poster was right when they said she says "my kids" but Jon says "our kids." And she is saying Jon won't talk to her, I wonder why?

Jon did talk to her that way.
Episode that comes to mind was the bed buying.
It was him being nasty.
Either he stopped in front of the cameras or TLC edits it out because Kate is the one that sells.

Originally Posted by Miss Crabcakes

Wow, such a sad episode. But so many things I think became clear tonight

1) that Jon is clearly the one who wanted out. Kate clearly didn't want to. While she was near tears talking about the separation, he actually admited to being "excited" about this new chapter in his life.

2) that Job cut off communication with Kate which does not give her room to try and fix the issue. She admited that he will not discuss why he's so angry with her and without that communication, there is nothing you can do. Makes me wonder if he would allow it, if she would have fought to fix them. Guess we'll never know.

Also, while the crooked houses were cute, they were so tiny on the inside, I feel like they'll outgrow them in a year or 2.

And where will they be staying with its not that parent's turn? Will each parent have a separate house of their own? That somehow sounds worse thn in a regular divorce. Can you imagine, as a parent having to pack a bag to go to your other home every other week. Yeah, better than shuffling the kids off but damn, that's a lot to deal with.

I wanted to catch it early but hubby was up (usually goes to bed at 9) - wasn't able to catch it till 10.

Very sad.
Jon was still so mad/snotty/defensive
Kate - I had tears in my eyes watching her.

I agree about the houses, they should have been expanded to fit 3 kids if they were sharing. How tiny.

Originally Posted by kentuckydad95

I fully expect Jon to get his own reality show.

According to his comments, I actually agree with you.
He hinted on maybe he'd be offered a job...

Originally Posted by senalj

I can understand why she wants to save the marriage, but I have to wonder if he's been trying to communicate with her all along and she wasn't trying to listen.

I don't think he wants to save the marriage..
He's excited to be out on his own..
That spoke volumes.

Originally Posted by PurpleLove08

I was telling a friend of mine earlier that the kids will probably look back and blame their mom for the divorce.

The kids are living in the house, I'm sure they know their parents don't get along and have their own opinion.
Yes, even as little as they are.

Originally Posted by JerseyG

Yeah, Jon's so innocent. Nice bling-bling in his ears. Talk about a loser.

Kate is about HER kids. Jon is always pawning/ignoring his responsibility TO his children onto Kate...that's why they are "our" kids for him. His fight is with his wife b/c he can't live up to what it takes to be a father of 8. Her fight is for HER KIDS.

He can't possibly function as a responsible father without Kate.

Pretty much agree..
If Jon really cared he would have helped with/at the party.
He was there like a guest.
Since it was for the kids, he should have stepped up.

Originally Posted by Omaha Rocks

You need to marry your opposite, so that you can complete and compliment each other. The key is to not marry your POLAR opposite. The second key is to compliment each other instead of competing.

I married someone very similar to myself, we've always worked well together.
Having said that, we've had our problems in 10 years too..
We've managed to get through them; J&K.. doubt it.

[gentlearts]

I'm just sorry for all of them.
Kate wants to wear the pants in the family and now she has her wish. She will have a very hard row to hoe with sole reponsibility for those kids.
Of course, Jon intends to stay in his children's lives, but we all know it doesn't really work that way. He's free to flit off with his little girlfriend...maybe have more kids with her, while Kate will need to raise those kids alone.
I hope the sextuplets don't get as annoying as those twins are...The twins acted like little Kates on the last episode.

[Roselvr]

Originally Posted by serate

She defended him until SHE was accused of cheating, then made it seem like yes she thought he cheated. I think it was just trying to get the spotlight off of herself.

Not what I remember.
Kate's always said she didn't know.
It was the photos of his teacher GF at their house
plus the interview with her (teacher's) brother..

I've always said they need to stop talking and hire a real PR company

Originally Posted by rkb0305

I just finished watching tonight's episode. It made me very sad.

Very sad..

Originally Posted by rkb0305

Why was it not until the day that the little houses were to be installed that Kate decided to go see where Jon had cleared for them? She was probably right about the location being too far away, but that should have been worked out ahead of time

She said she couldn't because he'd blow up at her..

Originally Posted by rkb0305

If they didn't, they should have tried counseling/therapy. They should have at least tried to save their marriage, but it doesn't sound like they did. There is a serious lack of communication there. It sounds like Jon just shut down and won't discuss anything. As a PP said, that could be because of the way Kate has treated him. He shut down until he could escape. It is too bad.

My opinion, and I'm not there.. but from my own experience..
Too much media attention..
Too many people cheering Jon on.
He can't work on the marriage, he'd look bad.

Originally Posted by mainegirl

I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with a woman being strong and being able to take care of herself and her kids without a man. However, it doesn't make it right for a woman to be verbally and emotionally abusive to anyone. You fail to see or admit that Kate had anything to do with the failure of this marriage. She even admitted that she was too hard on him, but it was too little too late.

I don't think that Jon is entirely innocent in this situation at all. The way he is behaving now reminds me of a 20 something year old. However, ever since a couple of seasons ago when I noticed that Kate was always correcting him, sometimes to the point where she was berating him, I knew that this marriage was going to end. Nobody in their right mind would take that, and if the shoe were on the other foot where he was constantly talking down to her and being a control freak, we would be having an entirely different situation between them.

I think you said you stopped watching it..
Jon spoke to Kate the same way.. I'm not sure it ever stopped; we did stop seeing it, but that could be editing.
There are many episodes where Job blew up at Kate.. they both did it.
They were both extremely stressed parents

Jon also puts down Kate's way when she's not there.
He's said he doesn't do the same things when he has the kids.
They are 2 people that probably never should have hooked up to begin with.

Yes, agree, he does act like a 20 year old.. Kind of picking off where he left off, this time with money & toys.

[Beretta]

Originally Posted by gentlearts

I'm just sorry for all of them.
Kate wants to wear the pants in the family and now she has her wish. She will have a very hard row to hoe with sole reponsibility for those kids.
Of course, Jon intends to stay in his children's lives, but we all know it doesn't really work that way. He's free to flit off with his little girlfriend...maybe have more kids with her, while Kate will need to raise those kids alone.
I hope the sextuplets don't get as annoying as those twins are...The twins acted like little Kates on the last episode.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Now, the show was Jon and Kate plus 8, it is now Kate plus 8 (I mean, really it is). I say TLC should pay them off, let them go back into their private lives and try to heal. It is no longer entertainment; it is an American tragedy and I am feeling quite voyeuristic when watching.

[mainegirl]

Originally Posted by Roselvr

I think you said you stopped watching it..

I said that I wasn't going to watch this season, but I have been watching.

Originally Posted by Roselvr

Jon spoke to Kate the same way.. I'm not sure it ever stopped; we did stop seeing it, but that could be editing.
There are many episodes where Job blew up at Kate.. they both did it.
They were both extremely stressed parents

While I haven't watched every episode and I did see Jon speak up to Kate a couple of seasons ago, from what I have seen he hasn't spoken to her in that manner on the program nearly as much as she has to him. If it were me in that situation, I would put an end to that baloney a long time ago.

Originally Posted by Roselvr

Jon also puts down Kate's way when she's not there.
He's said he doesn't do the same things when he has the kids.
They are 2 people that probably never should have hooked up to begin with.

Perhaps, but I thought they seemed to be happy in the beginning.

Originally Posted by Roselvr

Yes, agree, he does act like a 20 year old.. Kind of picking off where he left off, this time with money & toys.

Agreed

[mainegirl]

Originally Posted by gentlearts

I'm just sorry for all of them.
Kate wants to wear the pants in the family and now she has her wish. She will have a very hard row to hoe with sole reponsibility for those kids.
Of course, Jon intends to stay in his children's lives, but we all know it doesn't really work that way. He's free to flit off with his little girlfriend...maybe have more kids with her, while Kate will need to raise those kids alone.
I hope the sextuplets don't get as annoying as those twins are...The twins acted like little Kates on the last episode.

All excellent points.

She said she doesn't want to be alone. It will just be a matter of time before she finds someone else to boss around.

[mainegirl]

Originally Posted by jfkIII

I can't wait for SNL to do a Gosselin skit.

I wonder if Flavor of Love or Rock of Love will be holding auditions ? I can just see it now...

On this episode of Jon and Kate + 8... (breaks into Kate being nickamed Beaver because of her hair-do by Flavor Flav)