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i think it was the last interview--maybe people????who remembers--these mags all look alike to me--but it was on one of those tv shows like tv guide,inside edition don't remember which one-don't watch them regularly--but since there is no marriage counseling going on imo it must be so---especially since he's the one being excited to start a new life and she's the one stating that he refused to talk to her about the marriage issues----this was on the tlc special
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i think it was the last interview--maybe people????who remembers--these mags all look alike to me--but it was on one of those tv shows like tv guide,inside edition don't remember which one-don't watch them regularly--but since there is no marriage counseling going on imo it must be so---especially since he's the one being excited to start a new life and she's the one stating that he refused to talk to her about the marriage issues----this was on the tlc special
A) they could have tried counseling at one time and it didn't help, and is no longer going on.
B) all those magazines are not alike. People Mag doing an interview with Jon or Kate is WAY different than getting statements from a neighbor, friend, relative, brother of Jon's supposed girlfriend, employee at the tanning salon, etc.
So, we don't know for sure that free counseling was ever offered; and we don't know for sure that it was refused. I agree at this point, they don't appear to be in counseling, but you can't conclude from that, that "Jon refused free marriage counseling."
My post was not about capitalizing it is about statements I read on here such as "Jon cheated" "they both cheated." "Kate is gone 20 out of 30 days" "he even refused free marital counseling" "Kate had a breast lift". They are stated as if they are fact, when, really, none of us know everything that goes on with them. I tend to believe what I see on the show and what I have read straight from their mouths in People. Everything else is a tabloid, and 2nd hand info. All the other posters wanted to know is where did you hear he refused free marriage counseling?
I think returningtonepa was referring to me in regards to typing in all caps.
i'm new to typing and capitalize just for emphasis--am not a yeller??
in a poor marriage there are always 2 issues---but if both couples are mature enough--they can usually work things out----i do put a lot of the emphasis on j as usually it's the passive-agressive person that sets the tone for and controls the marriage
I am sorry but I don't agree with you, not only do we as the general public not know what has been going on behind the scenes between Jon and Kate for the last 10 yrs, we also don't know if they have tried counseling or not. It is easy as outsiders looking in to place blame on either one or the other, I admit that I blame Kate more than Jon and have stated enough times that I don't agree with the way she treats Jon. For what it is worth my sister-in-law treats her husband the exact same and then wonders why he doesn't want to be around her. Respect goes along way in a relationship. Do I agree with Jon's actions at this point and time, no I don't. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree in regards to this, maybe I don't see women treating their husbands like that because I tend to hang out with people who have the same kind of views I do.
A) they could have tried counseling at one time and it didn't help, and is no longer going on.
B) all those magazines are not alike. People Mag doing an interview with Jon or Kate is WAY different than getting statements from a neighbor, friend, relative, brother of Jon's supposed girlfriend, employee at the tanning salon, etc.
So, we don't know for sure that free counseling was ever offered; and we don't know for sure that it was refused. I agree at this point, they don't appear to be in counseling, but you can't conclude from that, that "Jon refused free marriage counseling."
i didn't conclude it as i stated it was expressed by kate in one of the magazines that he refused---and -in my opinion those magazines are all the same to me especially since i do not subscribe or read them regularly-and if he had okayed counseling they would still be in it cause it would take a long time to fix that marriage-------
now if you know differently please quote your source!
I am sorry but I don't agree with you, not only do we as the general public not know what has been going on behind the scenes between Jon and Kate for the last 10 yrs, we also don't know if they have tried counseling or not. It is easy as outsiders looking in to place blame on either one or the other, I admit that I blame Kate more than Jon and have stated enough times that I don't agree with the way she treats Jon. For what it is worth my sister-in-law treats her husband the exact same and then wonders why he doesn't want to be around her. Respect goes along way in a relationship. Do I agree with Jon's actions at this point and time, no I don't. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree in regards to this, maybe I don't see women treating their husbands like that because I tend to hang out with people who have the same kind of views I do.
i only make my statements generically based on the types of behaviors i see in the families i encounter-----again passive agressive poor communicators generally put a great burden on the other partnr--forcing the other partner to make the decisions,whining about responsibility,making the other person seem more dominant and controlling to outsiders---most people not involved with troubled families cannot see this--so i am trying to educate----like many pa people ,men like jon play the victim really well garnering plenty of female sympathy
You're right..it doesn't happen in one day. But it sure as heck can happen over time. Especially when people get married young. You think love will get you through anything. WRONG.
Their marriage fell apart. The "blame", if we really really must blame someone...goes to them both.
I'm sure it does. But I'm also sure that when one party (Jon) refuses to discuss "issues" with the second party (Kate) you can pretty much blame Jon for not "trying".
I'm sure it does. But I'm also sure that when one party (Jon) refuses to discuss "issues" with the second party (Kate) you can pretty much blame Jon for not "trying".
And the reason we know this is because Kate said it? I think right now Kate would say anything to get people on her side, I am sure she knows how alot of people feel about her. How do we know Jon hasn't been "trying" for the last several years and Kate didn't want to hear it? There are alot of speculations on here about something that none of us know anything about, all we know is what they allow us to see on their weekly show and what the press comes out with. That any of us would take what the press says as the truth is actually kinda sad. The more drama the more sales. Both Jon and Kate are to blame, he for allowing her to treat him like she has, and her for treating him that way. I guess I was raised to respect my husband and if I have anything hateful to say to him I do it behind closed doors. BTW had Jon been the one to talk to Kate like she talks to him I would have been equally bothered by it. There has to be a balance in a relationship and there is not one in theirs. Sad to see that the 2 of them can't put on their big boy and girl panties and make their marriage work since they chose to bring 8 children into the world. These 2 took big measures to bring these kids into the world and they need to take big measures to keep their familiy together. There were no "accident's" in regards to their pregnancies they went through a very expensive and complicated process to have their kids, so to both of them I say "suck it up and grow up."
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Good for him. I hope he's very happy and I also hope the new love in his life respects him,appreciates him and loves him back.
Kate's book and clothing line are not doing well:
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