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Old 07-12-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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Can anyone here read Japanese? Just curious what the text says beneath the picture.
A ****-poor translation via Google Translate shows..

The port of Jabor is a rare port of good port. Once a large boat from the inland arrives at the port of a rare variety of goods and enters the port, a large le schooner, a conference port competes from various parts of the Marshall archipelago and gathers at Ja Hak Come, and make a jaboo / L Bustling. / IGG's Signet of Understanding
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:09 PM
 
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There was that one short-wave radio receiver, who said she picked up a signal that was from AE, reporting that she's in the Marshal Islands. And the woman reported this to authorities, multiple times, apparently, and was quoted as saying, "Why doesn't anyone believe me?"

If her plane went down in the water--reports conflict on this score--how would AE have been able to use the radio? If it was the Japanese who forced her plane down, they wouldn't have allowed her to use the radio, anyway. According to the History Channel version of the story, they forced her to land on an island with too short of an airstrip, so the plane overshot the strip, and ended up in the lagoon. According to reports by a couple of islanders recorded on film by another researcher, the plane went down "between Mili and Jaluit".

Either way, I don't see how a radio message could have been sent out from Mili Atoll, unless she managed to get a message out before the radio/plane fuselage went underwater, and before Japanese personnel landed to collect her and Noonan.
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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Compelling evidence but still no actual Proof. I still believe she was abducted by Aliens and dropped off on Mars.
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:15 PM
 
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Can anyone here read Japanese? Just curious what the text says beneath the picture.
Google translates it as:

The life line of the sea My figure of the South Sea: South Seas archipelago photo book

Published date--showa 10.


The CNN article that claims to debunk the Saipan theory says that showa 10 means the 10th year of the Showa emperor or 1935. Could that date possibly be "off" either by mistake or by intention? I'd like proof that the photograph actually existed in 1935. Or maybe that the date give "could" be off by a few years.
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:28 PM
 
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Google translates it as:

The life line of the sea My figure of the South Sea: South Seas archipelago photo book

Published date--showa 10.


The CNN article that claims to debunk the Saipan theory says that showa 10 means the 10th year of the Showa emperor or 1935. Could that date possibly be "off" either by mistake or by intention? I'd like proof that the photograph actually existed in 1935. Or maybe that the date give "could" be off by a few years.
Why would they even put that photo into a photo album book of the South Seas? I must have missed a segment of the show?? I missed the fact that the photo is from a book published in Japan. Where was that? That photo doesn't even show any scenery; why would it be included?
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:00 PM
 
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Oh, a friend just emailed me a link to an article by a Japanese historian, about the book the photo came from.

Well, IMO, even if the photo is not of EA & Noonan, it wouldn't disprove the Saipan theory. It only would mean that the History program researcher chose the wrong item to feature in the show. He thought the photo was a big breakthrough, but an invalid photo doesn't discount all the testimony from the locals in the Marshals and Saipan. There's also testimony from former US servicemen who saw her plane being burned by US personnel on Saipan, and one guy who had her briefcase, after a safe was blown up, and he spotted a briefcase inside, and grabbed it, not knowing it was EA's. He was surprised the contents were "bone dry"; they were papers of EA. He didn't say what kind of papers.

But I suppose that oral testimony isn't hard proof, like a photo would be, or other document.
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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Oh, a friend just emailed me a link to an article by a Japanese historian, about the book the photo came from.

Well, IMO, even if the photo is not of EA & Noonan, it wouldn't disprove the Saipan theory. It only would mean that the History program researcher chose the wrong item to feature in the show. He thought the photo was a big breakthrough, but an invalid photo doesn't discount all the testimony from the locals in the Marshals and Saipan. There's also testimony from former US servicemen who saw her plane being burned by US personnel on Saipan, and one guy who had her briefcase, after a safe was blown up, and he spotted a briefcase inside, and grabbed it, not knowing it was EA's. He was surprised the contents were "bone dry"; they were papers of EA. He didn't say what kind of papers.

But I suppose that oral testimony isn't hard proof, like a photo would be, or other document.
So, you talk about having a link, yet you don't post it for us to look at, or even tell us what they said?
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Old 07-12-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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So, you talk about having a link, yet you don't post it for us to look at, or even tell us what they said?
I thought posters already knew about it, since the book and publication date are being discussed. I thought I'd missed something in the film, or the discussion here, since "what they said" is already under discussion. Give me a second--I'll post the link.


Here you go:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-amelia-earhart-photo-bs_us_59664c48e4b005b0fdca6dae?ncid=inblnkushpmg00 000009
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Old 07-12-2017, 03:48 PM
 
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Oh, a friend just emailed me a link to an article by a Japanese historian, about the book the photo came from.

Well, IMO, even if the photo is not of EA & Noonan, it wouldn't disprove the Saipan theory. It only would mean that the History program researcher chose the wrong item to feature in the show. He thought the photo was a big breakthrough, but an invalid photo doesn't discount all the testimony from the locals in the Marshals and Saipan. There's also testimony from former US servicemen who saw her plane being burned by US personnel on Saipan, and one guy who had her briefcase, after a safe was blown up, and he spotted a briefcase inside, and grabbed it, not knowing it was EA's. He was surprised the contents were "bone dry"; they were papers of EA. He didn't say what kind of papers.

But I suppose that oral testimony isn't hard proof, like a photo would be, or other document.
Yes, the photo doesn't necessarily prove or disprove anything. It could or could not be valid but there is still a lot of evidence pointing to the theory of the tv show. To be honest, the whole hype about the new photograph turned me off a bit and at the beginning of the show, the eerie music and the hyped up narrative made it seem more like an episode of the Twilight Zone. For me, when they got to the eyewitness accounts, that made it a lot more believable.

And the Saipan theory was put forth long ago in the 1960s with even more eyewitness accounts. I read that Admiral Nimitz even admitted it to the author of that book, Fred Goerner. Goerner said it was Nimitz' admission that got him going in the first place.

For anyone who's interested, here's part of an online book that possibly contains pertinent information and speaks of eyewitness accounts:

https://books.google.com/books?id=Kf...patton&f=false

I think it's General Patton they are speaking of and that he conducted his own investigation. Some confusion arose because Goerner, the book writer, at first took the eyewitness stories to mean that the plane crashed in Saipan. Patton took it that the plane crashed in the Marshall Islands and was taken to Saipon. Goerner later realized his mistake and also concluded that the plane had landed in the Marshall Islands. Both of them took their information from eyewitnesses.
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Old 07-12-2017, 04:11 PM
 
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There was that one short-wave radio receiver, who said she picked up a signal that was from AE, reporting that she's in the Marshal Islands. And the woman reported this to authorities, multiple times, apparently, and was quoted as saying, "Why doesn't anyone believe me?"

If her plane went down in the water--reports conflict on this score--how would AE have been able to use the radio? If it was the Japanese who forced her plane down, they wouldn't have allowed her to use the radio, anyway. According to the History Channel version of the story, they forced her to land on an island with too short of an airstrip, so the plane overshot the strip, and ended up in the lagoon. According to reports by a couple of islanders recorded on film by another researcher, the plane went down "between Mili and Jaluit".

Either way, I don't see how a radio message could have been sent out from Mili Atoll, unless she managed to get a message out before the radio/plane fuselage went underwater, and before Japanese personnel landed to collect her and Noonan.
Apparently it went down in an area with a lot of coral. It was in the water, but not fully. At least that's how I understood it. I don't think she was shot down. It took the Japanese military a while to get there.
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