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Old 07-19-2017, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Houston/Brenham
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Lord of Winterfell would be a subordinate position to "King In The North" so Brandon would be a vassal of Jon.
Lord of Winterfell and King in the North have always been the same position/person. I don't think we have to assume they will always be the same, but up until now, they have been.
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Old 07-19-2017, 08:41 AM
 
Location: The Eastern Shore
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If you remember last season, when he and Arya were on their little adventure, they stopped at a house with a man and a child and stayed there for a few days. The man was very kind. At the beginning of their stay, he mentioned that he had silver, etc. As they were going to leave, the Hound killed them and said "they were going to starve to death this winter anyway." Arya was furious.

Prior to Episode 1 starting, when they did all the flashbacks of the previous season, that scene was one of them.

So when the Hound came upon that house and didn't want to go in, it's because he knew they were dead in there. He apparently has his conscience now and decided to bury them.
Correction: He did not kill them. He stole their silver and left them there. He told Arya that they would be dead come winter anyways, so they wouldn't need the silver.
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Old 07-19-2017, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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If you remember last season, when he and Arya were on their little adventure, they stopped at a house with a man and a child and stayed there for a few days. The man was very kind. At the beginning of their stay, he mentioned that he had silver, etc. As they were going to leave, the Hound killed them and said "they were going to starve to death this winter anyway." Arya was furious.

Prior to Episode 1 starting, when they did all the flashbacks of the previous season, that scene was one of them.

So when the Hound came upon that house and didn't want to go in, it's because he knew they were dead in there. He apparently has his conscience now and decided to bury them.
OMgosh, yes, your right....
I have to watch all the epi's again....

thanks so much!
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Old 07-19-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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What I took from the scene was that Jon had the superior understanding of the men he was leading. Sansa was appealing to their greed, offering the lands of the defeated northmen to those who had remained loyal to the House of Stark. Jon was remembering how ashamed several of the still loyal men had been over sitting on their hands while Jon was fighting to retake Winterfell, and his appeal was to their honor.

Honor won.

Can you explain that in more detail? I'm still fuzzy on what their 2 sides were.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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What occurred to me Sunday night is that both Jon and Dany have no reason to hate each other but they both have reasons to be against Cersei. Wouldn't a marriage or other alliance between them make sense?


The one question is that for the most part the culture doesn't seem to have room for the king + queen model of a ruling family.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Can you explain that in more detail? I'm still fuzzy on what their 2 sides were.
Some of the houses traditionally allied with the Starks had instead backed the Boltons in their move to take over the North. Other houses remained loyal, but came up with excuses as to why they would not help Jon retake Winterfell. At the meeting where Jon wound up being declared King In The North, little Lady Mormant had made a speech where she named those who had sat on their thumbs, deeply shaming them for their inaction.

After being victorious and retaking Winterfell, Jon, now king, convened a meeting to determine what to do with the estates held by those who had gone over to the Boltons. Sansa wanted to distribute those lands to to those who had remained loyal, but Jon saw it as punishing the children of those families for the actions of their parents. His idea was to turn them back into loyal supporters rather than dispossess and impoverish them.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:36 AM
 
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What occurred to me Sunday night is that both Jon and Dany have no reason to hate each other but they both have reasons to be against Cersei. Wouldn't a marriage or other alliance between them make sense?


The one question is that for the most part the culture doesn't seem to have room for the king + queen model of a ruling family.
They're brother and sister, but yes an alliance makes sense. Isn't there a prophecy about an alliance between them?
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:41 AM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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What occurred to me Sunday night is that both Jon and Dany have no reason to hate each other but they both have reasons to be against Cersei. Wouldn't a marriage or other alliance between them make sense?


The one question is that for the most part the culture doesn't seem to have room for the king + queen model of a ruling family.
Jon could make a pretty good Visenya version 2.0
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:45 AM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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They're brother and sister
Dany's oldest brother Rhaegar is Jon's almost-certainly father. The mad king Aerys was Rhaegar and Dany's (and Viserys's) father. The overthrows/killings of Rhaegar and Aerys got kinda conflated back in Season 1 of the show, which is I think where the confusion comes in. (Keeping all the Targaryens straight requires a flowchart, TBF, considering the incest and repeating names.)
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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They're brother and sister, but yes an alliance makes sense. Isn't there a prophecy about an alliance between them?
She's his aunt
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