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Old 08-28-2017, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Well, it certainly works for the entire time it's not winter and the water isn't frozen.
When it isn't winter, there is no threat from the Dead Army. So the wall is great, it works until it is needed.

It was okay for containing the Wildings when they were on the other side, but if right when the Night Army makes its move, the water conveniently freezes, then it was never a real barrier to them at all.
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Lakewood NJ/Murrells Inlet SC/ N. Naples FL/Swainton NJ
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Kudos to the production for continuing to make the deaths of characters we love so tragic and the deaths of characters we hate delicious and satisfying!
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Houston/Brenham
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Then why was the main defense, Castle Black, located in the center of the wall?
White Walkers weren't the current threat. They haven't been seen in millennia, and even now are regarded as old harpy tales*. While the Wall may have been originally built for the WW, now it is the Wildlings that are the "threat". That's what the Night's Watch is for, and why Castle Black is HQ.

*Until current events changed things


And we have NO IDEA how the White Walkers were going to cross the Wall. No. Idea. Maybe when the Long Winter arrives (like now), the WW come back to life, and the seas freeze. Or maybe magic is involved. Nobody knows.

All we know is how they did it this time. Based on circumstances, and an ice dragon.

So many of you negative posters are all "what if this" and "what if that". Well, what if? All we know is what we get. The rest is speculation. Which it can be fun to do, unless you start whinging about every little nit & pick.

And then it gets really tiring.
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Houston/Brenham
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When it isn't winter, there is no threat from the Dead Army. So the wall is great, it works until it is needed.

It was okay for containing the Wildings when they were on the other side, but if right when the Night Army makes its move, the water conveniently freezes, then it was never a real barrier to them at all.
If if if if.

We don't know that the water would freeze. If you go back and look at Episode 7, you can see it is NOT frozen now. Will it not freeze ever, or just not yet?

So how can you say "it was never a real barrier", when we have effing idea what may have happened?
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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My thought for the endgame is that John and Daenerys and many other characters die tragically stopping the white walkers and the army of the dead. Sansa isn't a warrior so she isn't at the battle, but she gathers up the remnants of their army, leads them south, smashes the Lannister army and takes the Iron Throne from Cersei. Part of the witches prophesy was that Cersei would be queen for a time but would eventually be replaced by someone younger and more beautiful. For a long time it looked like Margaery was the person in that prophesy, but Cersei took the throne for herself after Tommen died. It could be Daenerys but now she is behind John in the line of succession. I suppose it is possible that John dies and Daenerys does end up taking the throne but the Sansa arc would be at least as compelling.
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Old 08-28-2017, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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My thought for the endgame is that John and Daenerys and many other characters die tragically stopping the white walkers and the army of the dead.<>
Sansa certainly merges the rest of the kingdom with the North.
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Old 08-28-2017, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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If if if if.

We don't know that the water would freeze. If you go back and look at Episode 7, you can see it is NOT frozen now. Will it not freeze ever, or just not yet?

So how can you say "it was never a real barrier", when we have effing idea what may have happened?
I was responding to another poster's hypothetical explanation, not advancing my own theory about when or whether the water freezes.
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Old 08-28-2017, 08:29 PM
 
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Does anyone think Tyrion is also in love with Dany? He looked so forlorn when Jon got into Dany's room. Tyrion was standing there so long with a sort of anguish look on his face.
Oh, definitely. Not only heads are broken in Season 7, hearts are broken, too... What I'd actually like to see is for Tyrion and Sansa to get together; he treated her with utter decency when they were married, and she is older and wiser now, and may be able to appreciate his qualities. If Jon/Aegon and Dany share the Iron Throne, Sansa could be Queen in the Noooorth (spears pounding the floor!), and Tyrion would make a great Prince Consort/Hand. They could have a new wedding ceremony where Tyrion doesn't have to undergo the humiliation of not being able to place the cape around her shoulders etc.

But you know what? That belongs in a new Season 8 Spoilers and Speculation thread! We don't want to wait until next year for that, do we?
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Old 08-28-2017, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Houston/Brenham
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My thought for the endgame is that John and Daenerys and many other characters die tragically stopping the white walkers and the army of the dead. Sansa isn't a warrior so she isn't at the battle, but she gathers up the remnants of their army, leads them south, smashes the Lannister army and takes the Iron Throne from Cersei.
Interesting idea.

One of the things I think about when I try to figure out the end, is to remind myself how GRRM writes a story. If this was "regular TV", then the good guys win. Or at least live.

But GRRM writes more realistic material, hence Ned's death, or the Red Wedding. So I think, how would GRRM do it? And I think you may be on to something. It's quite possible our two heroes do save the day, but lose their lives.

Or so many other possibilities...


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I was responding to another poster's hypothetical explanation, not advancing my own theory about when or whether the water freezes.
I apologize in that case. This thread has gotten so big... I should read and think twice.
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Old 08-28-2017, 08:35 PM
 
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When it isn't winter, there is no threat from the Dead Army. So the wall is great, it works until it is needed.

It was okay for containing the Wildings when they were on the other side, but if right when the Night Army makes its move, the water conveniently freezes, then it was never a real barrier to them at all.
Water doesn't just "conveniently" freeze. It freezes because of the temperature outside. Since under normal circumstances the seawater is not frozen, its not like they could just extend the wall indefinitely into the sea. It needed to stop somewhere, and at the edge of the water is where it stops.
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