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Old 07-25-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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One thing has always bothered me about the battle of the bastards episode. Before the battle Sansa never told Jon that the knights of the Vale were coming. You would think that would be an important piece of information. The first time I watched it I thought it was an oversight in the writing of the episode. After rewatching that episode earlier this month, there is a brief scene at the end of the battle after the knights arrive where they show Sansa noticing that Jon has survived the battle. I wonder if her real intention was for John and the Wildling army to lose the first part of the battle and then have the knights of the Vale come in and save the day after Jon was dead.

She may have thought that as a woman, some of the people of the north would never accept her as the head of House Stark as long as there was a male child of Ned Stark alive (even a bastard). If Jon was dead and she was in Winterfell it would allow her to be the unquestionable leader of the north.

She is unique in the story in that we don't know what her goals are. If she has gone young Cercei on us, she would be smart enough to hide it.
Sansa gave up trying to get Jon to listen to her telling him he needed more men and left the night before the battle.

Jon thought he had all he could get.

Sansa went and convinced the knights of the Vale to join.

I don't think her viewing him on the field was how you took it. It was a positive that her brother was still alive and after Ramsey.

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Sansa is either greedy, or she's laying a trap for Littlefinger.

If she's as smart as she thinks she is, I could see her feigning a little resentment towards Jon in an effort to lure Littlefinger out of his shell and declare his true intentions. Once LF shows his hand, Sansa can lean in a little and make LF think she's on his side before twisting the dagger in his heart.

The conflict has to happen at some point as I just don't see him having a place at the table when the big battle with the White Walkers begins. He'll be killed by someone during the 'Cersei vs. The World' war.
Certainly.

The Starks thus far have probably been the most unified family. I'm not expecting Jon vs Sansa. There's still Cersei to deal with, and Sansa wouldnt prevail there, Jon is a necessity.

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Old 07-25-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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Knowing Cersei, she's going to have an even bigger one made.



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How does anyone practice with it? It isn't like they have drones they can send up to get an idea of estimating altitude and dragon air speed.
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:59 AM
 
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Something this season just isn't clicking with me. Did the show change writers? The writing isn't nearly as good in previous seasons. All subtext is gone. Everything is right on the surface, and dialogue is written solely to explain things to the audience. Major plot points make no sense at all.

Is this what happens when the TV writers leave Martin behind?
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Old 07-25-2017, 09:38 AM
 
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Something this season just isn't clicking with me. Did the show change writers? The writing isn't nearly as good in previous seasons. All subtext is gone. Everything is right on the surface, and dialogue is written solely to explain things to the audience. Major plot points make no sense at all.

Is this what happens when the TV writers leave Martin behind?
I think they are just trying to speed up the pace since they have a limited number of episodes to finish the story.
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:05 AM
 
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Probably. The last two seasons are going to be the shortest, no?

They've put a exact end in and now the writers have to hit it.
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:13 AM
 
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All caught up now!!

That last episode.... im not sure.
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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So at this point who all knows Jon Snow isn't a Stark? I suspect Bran will show up in Winterfell just after Jon leaves for Dragonstone. Perhaps they will send a raven to Dragonstone and the mother of dragons will be the one to tell Jon of his true heritage. That should be interesting.
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:29 AM
 
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Something this season just isn't clicking with me. Did the show change writers? The writing isn't nearly as good in previous seasons. All subtext is gone. Everything is right on the surface, and dialogue is written solely to explain things to the audience. Major plot points make no sense at all.

Is this what happens when the TV writers leave Martin behind?
Read this today and captures pretty well my reservations--
Which I think started at the end of last season--
The writing has suffered because the writers frankly aren't living w/in Martin's framework---
They are ignoring the characters' personalities and history to create "sensational events"...
I think this season GoT will jump the shark--the Sand Snakes almost accomplished that on their own--

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai.../#285a6723b748
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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So at this point who all knows Jon Snow isn't a Stark? I suspect Bran will show up in Winterfell just after Jon leaves for Dragonstone. Perhaps they will send a raven to Dragonstone and the mother of dragons will be the one to tell Jon of his true heritage. That should be interesting.
I don't think that's something someone would find out via raven and if Dany is the one to tell him, how does she know? I don't think even Varys knows and he knows everything.
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Old 07-25-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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Sansa gave up trying to get Jon to listen to her telling him he needed more men and left the night before the battle.

Jon thought he had all he could get.

Sansa went and convinced the knights of the Vale to join.

I don't think her viewing him on the field was how you took it. It was a positive that her brother was still alive and after Ramsey.



Certainly.

The Starks thus far have probably been the most unified family. I'm not expecting Jon vs Sansa. There's still Cersei to deal with, and Sansa wouldnt prevail there, Jon is a necessity.
Sansa didn't convince the Knights of the Vale--
Littlefinger arranged for that to happen since he is has the power as Robin's step-father...(and where is mad Robin???)
And Sansa SHOULD have been willing to tell John they were coming---she should have been so relieved to be place of safety after the last year that she threw off Littlefinger's influence but she didn't
And remember she was not that enamoured of John Snow when GoT started---she was embarassed to have her father's bastard around as part of the household --just as her mother was...
People seem to have forgotten that reluctance...
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