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Old 01-11-2018, 01:08 PM
 
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All in the Family

First show to deal with feminists ie Maude, first in race relations. For those of you unfamiliar...a married couple's lives are shown with the man, Archie, being the WORST bigot imaginable... every sarcastic thing he said made you cringe. But each show has him being shown up for what he is and why.

One of the best episodes: a black man gives the bigot a very unexpected kiss...Archie's facial expressions were priceless. It got laughs that seemed to last 5 minutes...
It was entertainer, Sammy Davis, Jr. who kissed Archie. It was a fabulous show.
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Old 01-11-2018, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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The thing about All in the Family is that Archie isn't really a hater. He's just heard these things all his life. And in a very real way, Mike is just as much saying what he hears in his filter. If you weren't there you may not understand that the sixties put everyone in their labeled corner, and people saw the label first. It was a huge clash of changing culture and it did have the power to tear apart families. I met my aunts and uncles in Dad's family when I was five, and we took a trip to meet his family in Alabama. But the plan was to visit them more often. However, my uncles were likely to say things my dad would not tolerate, and there was no lets agree to disagree, and later in the decade some of his family came to California to visit. Many of their kids ended up in aerospace in California too, like Dad.

What All in the Family did was encourage people to really think about the things they said, and what the words mean, and perhaps ask if they should. It also showed just how much was learned and just repeated, and with that image changed so are the words. And that we all have our assumptions and all could do a lot better to just *listen* to each other. Maybe you don't change minds, but nothing ever gets better if all you see is a parody of an image, and not another human being with different beliefs. The first step is to see another human, even if you don't see through the same mirror.

When my dad's sibilings and kids and family came out to visit, almost all of the kids and many of his brothers also working in tech jobs and especially aerospace, the buttons were gone and we had a very nice visit. It's too bad that line could not have been crossed earlier.
I thought the acting, particularly of Archie and Meathead was really convincing. Some of their arguments were so articulate that it had me believing they really were completely at odds. The discussions were ahead of their time for TV back then. I will admit that I always wondered why Archie didn't tell Meathead to shove it and move out when he kept jawing at Archie about one thing or another while living under his roof for free. LOL.
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Old 01-11-2018, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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I thought the acting, particularly of Archie and Meathead was really convincing. Some of their arguments were so articulate that it had me believing they really were completely at odds. The discussions were ahead of their time for TV back then. I will admit that I always wondered why Archie didn't tell Meathead to shove it and move out when he kept jawing at Archie about one thing or another while living under his roof for free. LOL.
Carrol O'Conner was a good actor, and in real life very left wing. The fact that he could pull of the right wing, lovable bigot thing showed how could of an actor he was. Rob Reiner was just being himself. He deserved Archie's nickname. "Meathead - Dead from the head up!"
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Old 01-11-2018, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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This is a pretty obscure one, but for some reason, the 1960s British show The Prisoner, written by and starring Patrick McGoohan, comes to mind. Very big brother and dark show that took a look at many contemporary societal issues. A good precursor to many popular Sci Fi shows that came along many decades later.
This one is considered a classic in science fiction film. Its one you can watch multiple times, and find new things which were missed the last five times. Its one of the best British science fiction productions and does nothing but get more relavent. The hotel complex where its was shot is still a place which draws tourists to see it in person.

There is a book as well. It was always available in Sf bookstores and at cons. There is also a sequal not filmed, which is considered very valuable since it is much more rare. But the most notable thing is the first two words.....

Which if your curious feel free to message me.
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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I thought the acting, particularly of Archie and Meathead was really convincing. Some of their arguments were so articulate that it had me believing they really were completely at odds. The discussions were ahead of their time for TV back then. I will admit that I always wondered why Archie didn't tell Meathead to shove it and move out when he kept jawing at Archie about one thing or another while living under his roof for free. LOL.
I think Archie was used to them, and while he had lots of 'discussion' he was used to it and knew he'd miss them. If he didn't have Mike around he wouldn't have had anyone to argue with. And I think Mike rather liked it to. I'd guess when Mike and Gloria moved out, they both missed things for a while.
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Old 01-11-2018, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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I think Archie was used to them, and while he had lots of 'discussion' he was used to it and knew he'd miss them. If he didn't have Mike around he wouldn't have had anyone to argue with. And I think Mike rather liked it to. I'd guess when Mike and Gloria moved out, they both missed things for a while.
After Rob Reiner and Sally Struthers left, “All In the Family” was not as good.
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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After Rob Reiner and Sally Struthers left, “All In the Family” was not as good.

The tv show Maude was a spinoff of All in the Family. She had a very strong personality and dwarfed her husband and everyone else with her size but mostly her overbearing ways.

Still, I think she was one of the first women to appear on tv as very assertive, competent, confident.

Then came Murphy Brown.
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:38 PM
 
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I loved The Prisoner. There was absolutely nothing else like it on television. Patrick McGoohan was a big teenage crush of mine.

The Prisoner (TV Series 1967
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:41 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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Golden Girls, for portraying older women as something other than caricature grandmas

Babylon 5, for the ongoing story arc format that's since been adopted by pretty much every other sci-fi/fantasy genre show (as opposed to doing mostly stand-alone episodes)
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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The tv show Maude was a spinoff of All in the Family. She had a very strong personality and dwarfed her husband and everyone else with her size but mostly her overbearing ways.

Still, I think she was one of the first women to appear on tv as very assertive, competent, confident.

Then came Murphy Brown.
Before Murphy Brown, there was One Day At a Time with Bonnie Franklin. Not the greatest writing, but had the same theme of a strong independent woman and she was also a single mom.
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