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View Poll Results: Was Tony Soprano likeable?
Yes 28 54.90%
No 23 45.10%
Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-03-2019, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Maine
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After watching The Sopranos, I noticed how they went for an ending where the criminals get away with it in the end. I found this to be very unusual, cause other shows and movies end with them being caught, like Breaking Bad, or Goodfellas, etc. So I was wondering what if they went for the ending where Tony Soprano went down in the end?
Have you seen the finale? It's open to interpretation, but it seemed pretty clear to me that Tony did not get away with it in the end.

But really, the central point of THE SOPRANOS was never about the mob. It was about the disillusioned American dream. It was set in the world of the mob, but Chase could have just as easily set it amongst West Virginia miners or blue collar factory workers in Michigan. The mob was the setting, not the theme.
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Old 02-03-2019, 04:49 PM
 
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Yeah I guess, it just feels like the writers didn't have the guts to show us a defeat, and just wanted a cop out ambiguous ending.
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Old 02-03-2019, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Yeah I guess, it just feels like the writers didn't have the guts to show us a defeat, and just wanted a cop out ambiguous ending.
I don't think it was gutless. It was a matter of showing 2 + 2 and letting us come up with 4. I appreciate it when filmmakers don't spoonfeed the audience. And it did exactly what I think they intended: Got people talking about it.

My only big complaint about the finale was that it made that awful Journey song popular again. Blech.
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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My take on the final scene was not that Tony was hit, or not hit, rather that for the rest of his life, however long that may be, he could be hit at any moment and had to suspect everyone and everything. That was the viewpoint we were given in that final scene. It was entirely innocuous doings, parking a car, having dinner in a restaurant, made ominous to the audience because we didn't know if they would end the show with a bloodbath or not. That was the point...we didn't know what was innocent and what was malicious, and neither did Tony.

What was annoying was that the above was the sort of thing which occurs to you sometime after you have watched the end of the show. Ah! I see what they were doing. While watching, it initially felt like a gyp..a sudden black screen interrupting nothing special.
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:30 PM
 
Location: N of citrus, S of decent corn
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He was immoral and ruthless.
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Old 02-03-2019, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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No, he was a complete psychopath. It was the writing and dialogue that made the show what it was. But Tony himself, well-written and acted as he was, ruined peoples lives as a career and made everyone around him miserable, except maybe his two kids.
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Old Yesterday, 07:40 AM
 
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My take on the final scene was not that Tony was hit, or not hit, rather that for the rest of his life, however long that may be, he could be hit at any moment and had to suspect everyone and everything. That was the viewpoint we were given in that final scene. It was entirely innocuous doings, parking a car, having dinner in a restaurant, made ominous to the audience because we didn't know if they would end the show with a bloodbath or not. That was the point...we didn't know what was innocent and what was malicious, and neither did Tony.

What was annoying was that the above was the sort of thing which occurs to you sometime after you have watched the end of the show. Ah! I see what they were doing. While watching, it initially felt like a gyp..a sudden black screen interrupting nothing special.
^^ This.

Tony lives his entire life looking over his shoulder. His life could end at any time.
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Old Yesterday, 03:17 PM
 
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More interesting than likable
^^^ Yes!!!!! I totally agree. Being interesting is definitely better than likeable.

And my recommendations to watch:

Breaking Bad
Billions
The Americans

I loved Dexter up till Season 5 then was over it but man those first seasons were fantastic!!!!
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Old Yesterday, 05:04 PM
 
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My take on the final scene was not that Tony was hit, or not hit, rather that for the rest of his life, however long that may be, he could be hit at any moment and had to suspect everyone and everything. That was the viewpoint we were given in that final scene. It was entirely innocuous doings, parking a car, having dinner in a restaurant, made ominous to the audience because we didn't know if they would end the show with a bloodbath or not. That was the point...we didn't know what was innocent and what was malicious, and neither did Tony.

What was annoying was that the above was the sort of thing which occurs to you sometime after you have watched the end of the show. Ah! I see what they were doing. While watching, it initially felt like a gyp..a sudden black screen interrupting nothing special.
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^^ This.

Tony lives his entire life looking over his shoulder. His life could end at any time.
I disagree with Grandstander that that's what the ending suggested. The threat may have been greater at the end of the series, but there was never a time during the series (or his entire adult life) where Tony didn't have to always look over his shoulder.
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Old Yesterday, 11:08 PM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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I disagree with Grandstander that that's what the ending suggested. The threat may have been greater at the end of the series, but there was never a time during the series (or his entire adult life) where Tony didn't have to always look over his shoulder.
Exactly. Moreover, the ending begged the question: Is there really such a thing as Karma? Do we or don't ultimately pay for our sins? For all we know, nothing happened, and Tony was just applying his usual vigilance to the situation.
I thought the ending was perfect. Letting it play out as a hit on Tony would have been tired and predictable.

BTW, I don't see where you and Grandstander are in disagreement over this.
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