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Old 02-01-2019, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Do you think Dexter could have been a sympathetic character if he hadn't killed only people who deserved it (in the viewer's opinion)? It seems like there were a couple innocents killed but Deb did the worst (Lt LaGuerta) so his image didn't suffer too badly. If Dex had killed her, I don't think I'd have been rooting for him anymore.
^That was the key exactly. Dexter never killed anyone that he (and therefore we the audience) didn't think had it coming. Still, I don't think anyone would ever find Dexter a paragon of virtue. He's very much an anti-hero. He is super interesting. But admirable? No. Dexter is basically Batman who isn't afraid to cross the line.

Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread. Sorry.

So back to my original comment: Another good cops vs. bad guys show? Really? Would you like fries with that?
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Old 02-01-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Ann Arbor MI
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[color="red"] So back to my original comment: Another good cops vs. bad guys show? Really? Would you like fries with that?
It's a time honored tradition. I'm 67 years old and as a little kid we spent a lot of time playing "good guys and bad guys".
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Old Yesterday, 03:38 PM
 
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I am against the idea of a spinoff. The original show JUST STARTED. Why are they rushing this? Can a show not be on the air for a year before they want to start pushing spinoffs and from what it seems like it's not gonna even be that much different from the parent show so what's the point? Just keep the original show going unless they want to focus on federal prosecutors, but I don't really want Wolf to try to "remake" the L&O franchise with this FBI one. That's just borderline lazy and a slap in a face to that batch of work. He has enough shows under his belt as it is. He does not need to be given anymore money.
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I'd be more interested if they approached it from the fugitive's point of view. Do we really need another cop show about cops chasing a new set of bad guys every week?
Well there's lots of shows out there with this style, particularly on HBO and Showtime with shows like "The Wire", "Power", "The Chi". But for network TV there's Law & Order: Criminal Intent and Criminal Minds which showcases the suspect's point-of-view.
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The trick would be getting the audience to establish sympathy for the supposed "bad guy." It can be done. See BREAKING BAD, THE SOPRANOS, BETTER CALL SAUL, etc. But for a show like this, I'm not sure it would work to paint a Federal fugitive as a good guy and the FBI as antagonists.
But do they need to be sympathetic? No. We just have to see the crime aftermath through their eyes. The show isn't going to be about them, whatever episode they're in, so we don't need to be sympathetically invested in them. They're the bad guys and we're gonna want for them to get caught, so they don't need our pity all the time. Maybe with a small percentage of them.

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Old Today, 05:14 PM
 
Location: SWFL
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I watched the show this week and wasn't too impressed with the "Most Wanted" part. It didn't seem much different except they went further out of NYC than OA and his partner seem to do. It was okay but it needs to be on a different night. Or is FBI going on hiatus?
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Old Today, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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I am against the idea of a spinoff. The original show JUST STARTED. Why are they rushing this? Can a show not be on the air for a year before they want to start pushing spinoffs and from what it seems like it's not gonna even be that much different from the parent show so what's the point? Just keep the original show going unless they want to focus on federal prosecutors, but I don't really want Wolf to try to "remake" the L&O franchise with this FBI one. That's just borderline lazy and a slap in a face to that batch of work. He has enough shows under his belt as it is. He does not need to be given anymore money.

Well there's lots of shows out there with this style, particularly on HBO and Showtime with shows like "The Wire", "Power", "The Chi". But for network TV there's Law & Order: Criminal Intent and Criminal Minds which showcases the suspect's point-of-view.

But do they need to be sympathetic? No. We just have to see the crime aftermath through their eyes. The show isn't going to be about them, whatever episode they're in, so we don't need to be sympathetically invested in them. They're the bad guys and we're gonna want for them to get caught, so they don't need our pity all the time. Maybe with a small percentage of them.
They are rushing their FBI television universe because the Criminal Minds spinoff series failed and the NCIS stars are all above retirement age for federal agents and can't pass for action heroes much longer. They can go for a MacGyver Magnum crossover future or build from some less fantastic base
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