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Old 11-12-2011, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Jax was a 1000 yards away and in no danger...they just pull up, open the door and double tap. Instead they stage some weak kidnapping attempt? They make REAL Mexican drug cartel goons cry!
She was buckling in her child. Both kids were right there in the car. They were hired to do a hit and it did not involve the kids or Jax. Killing the kids would destroy the relationship with SAMCRO and they have made it clear they need the relationship to continue. Plus, they had probably already made the decision to kidnap rather than kill her when Romeo called and told them that Jax and the kids were with her.

You make it sound like the cartels are made up of a bunch of Navy Seal level guys. They make mistakes all the time and are not always successful. As you called the, they are goons.

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And yes, Mexican Cartels kidnap...they also blow people away on the streets as well as throw bombs into casinos during broad day light. They also walk across the border into neighboring El Paso Hospitals and finish off any Mexican police that made out of any near by shot outs.
They were hired to do a hit in a certain manner, this wasnt there personal business they were conducting.



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That was a warning shot....which count for nothing when your life is on the line!
How do you know it was a warning shot? By the look on her face, she was intending to hit him.
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Blah
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She was buckling in her child. Both kids were right there in the car. They were hired to do a hit and it did not involve the kids or Jax. Killing the kids would destroy the relationship with SAMCRO and they have made it clear they need the relationship to continue. Plus, they had probably already made the decision to kidnap rather than kill her when Romeo called and told them that Jax and the kids were with her.

You make it sound like the cartels are made up of a bunch of Navy Seal level guys. They make mistakes all the time and are not always successful. As you called the, they are goons.

They were hired to do a hit in a certain manner, this wasnt there personal business they were conducting.

How do you know it was a warning shot? By the look on her face, she was intending to hit him.
This show is for entertainment values only. Think about, Romeo knew Tara had the kids when he originally agreed to do the hit! So this really didn't have anything to do with the kids. Romeo later alerted his guy about Jax but again agreed to carry on with the hit. The guys wasn't going to touch Jax, that's why they kept saying VP in the van and refused to shoot Jax. But there was nothing standing in the way of shooting Tara with or without the kids while Jax was off hunting Snow cones or what ever. This episode seemed more like a filler than anything useful.

As for real Mexican Cartels, these guys consist of Mexican Military, police and skilled in Gorilia Warfare. All you have to do is a simple search to see what they can and have done.
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Old 11-12-2011, 08:53 PM
 
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There is only 4 episodes left so we are at the final stretch.

I really do not know how the writers can realistically allow Clay to survive if all is revealed. The only thing I can think of is that Gemma blames the beating on the cartel war and keeps it hidden. She may change her mind about Clay dieing and tell him he needs to leave and then he goes NOMAD.
I forgot that there are only 4 episodes left! The show has short seasons. It could be possible that Clay gets killed off. I thought I read he signed on for two more seasons though but then again he has been in two major motion pictures this year so he could just move on. SOA is a bit unpredictable though. The writing does deflect a lot. Just when you think someone is gonna get it, they don't. It always baffled me why Opie didnt do anything about Donna's death.
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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I really do not know how the writers can realistically allow Clay to survive if all is revealed. The only thing I can think of is that Gemma blames the beating on the cartel war and keeps it hidden. She may change her mind about Clay dieing and tell him he needs to leave and then he goes NOMAD.
I'm guessing that Clay tries to kill Gemma since she truly knows everything and he's on her **** list now.

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This show is for entertainment values only. Think about, Romeo knew Tara had the kids when he originally agreed to do the hit! So this really didn't have anything to do with the kids.
Nobody initially knew that the kids would be with Tara. Gemma knew. But she didn't tell Clay the kids were going too. She simply said Tara was going to Portland.

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Romeo later alerted his guy about Jax but again agreed to carry on with the hit.
Agreed? There was no agreeing. LOL When he handed Clay the cell phone, he said that ones it was started, it couldn't be stopped. When Clay called to try to stop it, he said he couldn't stop it because he couldn't reach the dude. But then he tells his guy to call the hit man and warn him. That annoyed me. There is no purpose to saying a hit can't be stopped when it can be stopped. Romeo thinking Tara is a threat is irrelevant too. If he thought she was a threat, he'd take her out even if Clay didn't call a hit on her. It's a silly storyline.
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Old 11-14-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Blah
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Nobody initially knew that the kids would be with Tara. Gemma knew. But she didn't tell Clay the kids were going too. She simply said Tara was going to Portland.
It's common sense, Tara wasn't going to leave the kids with Jax or Gemma.


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Agreed? There was no agreeing. LOL When he handed Clay the cell phone, he said that ones it was started, it couldn't be stopped. When Clay called to try to stop it, he said he couldn't stop it because he couldn't reach the dude. But then he tells his guy to call the hit man and warn him. That annoyed me. There is no purpose to saying a hit can't be stopped when it can be stopped. Romeo thinking Tara is a threat is irrelevant too. If he thought she was a threat, he'd take her out even if Clay didn't call a hit on her. It's a silly storyline.
Romeo agreed to carry out the hit but not calling it off!

As for Tara, she's an internal issue...but one that indirectly effects Romeo...he just doesn't know it or yes, he would take action.
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Old 11-14-2011, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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It's common sense, Tara wasn't going to leave the kids with Jax or Gemma.
You werent paying attention. Clay did not know the kids would be with Tara and thought she was alone; that was made clear in the episode. That is why the hit had to be re-planned hence the attempted kidnapping. Do you know what would happen if the cartel shot Tara and the bullet hit one or both of the kids? The Feds would be all over them in a hot second and the gun deal would be off.
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Old 11-14-2011, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Sugar Grove, IL
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can't wait til tuesday and a full 90 minute episode. repercussions...
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Old 11-14-2011, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Blah
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You werent paying attention. Clay did not know the kids would be with Tara and thought she was alone; that was made clear in the episode. That is why the hit had to be re-planned hence the attempted kidnapping. Do you know what would happen if the cartel shot Tara and the bullet hit one or both of the kids? The Feds would be all over them in a hot second and the gun deal would be off.
You assume to know what Clay is thinking. Set your emotions aside and stick to the facts and that is Clay ordered the hit on Tara...and the chances of Tara leaving without the kids was/is Zero. Think about it, the only people allowed to watch those kids was/is Jax and Gemma...and Clay knew the kids wasn't with either one of those people. The man didn't care if Tara did or didn't have the kids.
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Old 11-14-2011, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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I feel the same way. I don't see Clay getting killed off until the series starts winding down and its almost over with. Of course if you really want to spoil it, all you have to do is read up on who got their contracts extended for so many seasons.
LOL! I almost did try and look that up, but I stopped myself ...

Can't wait until this week's 1.5 hour episode!
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I wonder if Romeo is going to distrust Clay a bit more. Calling off the hit gives an impression Clay wasn't as prepared/informed as he should have been.
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