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Old 04-19-2018, 12:13 AM
 
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I completely disagree that the Democrats are anti-statehood. That doesn't even make sense looking at it from a point of pure self-interest. .
I suspect Puerto Ricans flooding FL, making it reliably blue will be more interest to the Democrats. After all the current PR governor isn't someone who is supportive of the Democrats so one can speculate as to whether PR will be a monolithic Democratic stronghold.
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Old 04-22-2018, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, not Paris. #MAGA.
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I'm with Marco. And I'd only support PR becoming a state if Texas was broken up to offset the likely 2 new Dem U.S. Senators from PR; note, the Texas statehood act does allow for Texas to be broken up into five different states. I say Texas as that's the most realistic chance to admit a new, conservative-leaning state.
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Old 04-22-2018, 06:25 PM
 
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I'm with Marco. And I'd only support PR becoming a state if Texas was broken up to offset the likely 2 new Dem U.S. Senators from PR; note, the Texas statehood act does allow for Texas to be broken up into five different states. I say Texas as that's the most realistic chance to admit a new, conservative-leaning state.
Puerto Rico would have been a swing state if the Republicans had allowed them to become a state after 2012 referendum, now the island would be solidly Democratic because of ignorant conservatives always bashing and degrading them over the past 6 years. You reap what you sow ... every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
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Old 04-22-2018, 09:21 PM
 
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Puerto Rico would have been a swing state if the Republicans had allowed them to become a state after 2012 referendum, now the island would be solidly Democratic because of ignorant conservatives always bashing and degrading them over the past 6 years. You reap what you sow ... every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Nope, the lying, ignorant race baiting by Democrats would've ensured that PR was a solidly Dem state. But I don't inherently have a problem with PR statehood. All I ask for is a conservative state to offset.
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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Nope, the lying, ignorant race baiting by Democrats would've ensured that PR was a solidly Dem state. But I don't inherently have a problem with PR statehood. All I ask for is a conservative state to offset.
Its always interesting how right wingers always see nonwhite people as a bunch of dummies who are misled by "race baiters". Never that the GOP is just plainly hostile to them so they support the Democratic party, which mightn't be good for them but at least isn't evil towards them.

How about poor whites who voted for a man who is extremely wealthy, who outsources jobs from the USA< who wanted to destroy the US auto industry, and who stiffs his contractors. THAT to me is evidence of people being fooled.
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:16 PM
 
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Puerto Rico would have been a swing state if the Republicans had allowed them to become a state after 2012 referendum, now the island would be solidly Democratic because of ignorant conservatives always bashing and degrading them over the past 6 years. You reap what you sow ... every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

come on dude, you don't actually believe that. Unless a Republican is offering more welfare and federal handouts Puerto Rico would vote Democrat because that has been the political culture in Puerto Rico for decades. They vote whoever offers more government and who can "solve" things by spending more money. How do you think they got to the debt crisis? This has been going on since the 50's and it started with Luis Munoz Marin, who was a socialist. Ever since both main parties in P.R. have been competing with each other who can grow the government more by putting their people in the party in government agencies.

by the way, the biggest obstacle for statehood in Puerto Rico comes from liberals and the left in the island. Last time I checked: Carmen Yulin, Hector Ferrer, Alejandro Garcia, Rafael Hernandez Colon, Ruben Berrios and most in the PPD and PIP are NOT conservatives. They are all liberals, many Democrats, and some even communists/socialists. They bash statehood and the U.S. all the time.

the 2012 referendum was a joke. 1,878,969 total votes.....statehood received 834,191......that means 1,044,778 Puerto Ricans didn't vote for statehood. Don't you think that if Puerto Rico becomes a state that they at least have a simple majority of all the people that voted? Hawaii in 1959 voted 93% for statehood...that was 93% of all the votes. The 2012 Puerto Rico referendum didn't get even to 45% of all the votes for statehood. Do you want a civil war in Puerto Rico by pushing statehood when it's obvious the majority in P.R. rejects it?

How can you possibly expect Republicans in congress pass a statehood bill when the majority in the island rejected statehood....come on dude! you have better sense than that.

but of course, the problem for you is those damn conservatives....if we just have liberals running things, Puerto Rico would be state #51 and paradise in Puerto Rico....ignoring the fact that those liberals in Puerto Rico that are against statehood are allies with the Democrat Party. Who do you think welcomed Carmen Yulin when she did her U.S. Maria/Trump bashing tour and who is donating her politically? it is democrats and liberals in the states........by the way, she is running for governor in 2020, count on that and most of her political contributions will come from Democrats and liberals in the U.S. and Cuba and Venezuela.


I was born and raised in Puerto Rico, in Bayamon which is a PRO statehood city and a PNP city. I always said that the biggest obstacle for statehood in P.R. are within the island starting with the PNP party which have managed the statehood status wrong, liberals and the left in the island which the majority are against statehood and some hate the U.S.A. and you want Republicans in Congress to take a bite and swallow that sandwich and push a statehood bill that will get rejected in Puerto Rico? LOL

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Old 04-23-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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Its always interesting how right wingers always see nonwhite people as a bunch of dummies who are misled by "race baiters". Never that the GOP is just plainly hostile to them so they support the Democratic party, which mightn't be good for them but at least isn't evil towards them.

How about poor whites who voted for a man who is extremely wealthy, who outsources jobs from the USA< who wanted to destroy the US auto industry, and who stiffs his contractors. THAT to me is evidence of people being fooled.

explain how right wingers (conservatives) have been "evil" towards nonwhite people? Last time I looked at U.S. History the Democrat party has a long history of keeping minorities down and now that they like to hand out welfare and paint us as "victims" to get our votes and that we can't make it in life without massive government handouts now they are our friends? LOL


name me 1 Democrat President that wasn't wealthy and didn't outsource jobs? Last time I checked the other option in 2016 made herself into a millionaire in government selling out the office with favors and contracts and supported NAFTA and TPP to continue outsourcing jobs because she is a globalist sellout and on top of that she is for open borders and amnesty so they can keep bringing the cheap labor here and keep wages down and get the votes....that is your Democrat Party of today and you have the nerve to talk about Trump? LOL....tell me what Obama did for 8 years, he is another globalist and come back to me about being fooled.

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Old 04-23-2018, 12:38 PM
 
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[quote=Hellion1999;51697343]explain how right wingers (conservatives) has been "evil" towards nonwhite people? Last time I looked at U.S. History the Democrat party has a long history of keeping minorities down and now that they like to hand out welfare and paint us as "victims" to get our votes and that we can't make it in life without massive government handouts now they are our friends? LOL


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Thanks for answering your own question. Now why should I as a black man of Caribbean origin, who has lived 36 years in the USA and has NEVER drawn a penny of welfare and who has paid TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars in taxes, support the GOP when this is your opinion of me? Do you know me? Do you take the time to listen to me? No in your arrogance you scream that I support the Democratic party because I want welfare. So lost in your bubble that you do NOT even notice how INSULTING you are to the 70% of blacks in this country who have NEVER RECEIVED WELFARE!

West Indians in the USA are known to be a very hard working group of people with overall labor force participation rates the same as that of other groups, LOWER welfare usage (only 5%) and with women MORE LIKELY TO WORK, and yet over 90% of us vote Democrat.

Asian Indians. The WEALTHIEST ethnic group in the USA, over 80% voted for Obama TWICE. And yet you and the rest rant that nonwhites only vote Democrat because we want welfare.

Why is it that all of the xenophobes, white supremacists and other personifications of evil support the GOP? The GOP ran a candidate for governor who screamed that blacks didn't have it so bad under slavery.

Listen to people like Michael Steele and others who blame the GOP for alienating nonwhites. You all want to be a party of old white men so this is who votes for you.
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Old 04-23-2018, 01:01 PM
 
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explain how right wingers (conservatives) has been "evil" towards nonwhite people? Last time I looked at U.S. History the Democrat party has a long history of keeping minorities down and now that they like to hand out welfare and paint us as "victims" to get our votes and that we can't make it in life without massive government handouts now they are our friends? LOL


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Thanks for answering your own question. Now why should I as a black man of Caribbean origin, who has lived 36 years in the USA and has NEVER drawn a penny of welfare and who has paid TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars in taxes, support the GOP when this is your opinion of me? Do you know me? Do you take the time to listen to me? No in your arrogance you scream that I support the Democratic party because I want welfare. So lost in your bubble that you do NOT even notice how INSULTING you are to the 70% of blacks in this country who have NEVER RECEIVED WELFARE!

West Indians in the USA are known to be a very hard working group of people with overall labor force participation rates the same as that of other groups, LOWER welfare usage (only 5%) and with women MORE LIKELY TO WORK, and yet over 90% of us vote Democrat.

Asian Indians. The WEALTHIEST ethnic group in the USA, over 80% voted for Obama TWICE. And yet you and the rest rant that nonwhites only vote Democrat because we want welfare.

Why is it that all of the xenophobes, white supremacists and other personifications of evil support the GOP? The GOP ran a candidate for governor who screamed that blacks didn't have it so bad under slavery.

Listen to people like Michael Steele and others who blame the GOP for alienating nonwhites. You all want to be a party of old white men so this is who votes for you.



good for you!!!! now explain why you support the Democrat party over the Republican on POLICY and principle!!! or you just follow the crowd to the voting booth and vote on tribalism and identity politics?

You are telling me that they are not non-white racists and non-white evil people? just look at the FBI stats and prison stats and comeback to me....you think everybody that supports the Democrat party are good people or should we lump them all together like you do everybody from the right?

Michael Steele is a RINO and he has to play the tune in MSNBC if he wants to keep working there and keep getting paid.

If you want to paint all blacks as victims and play the slavery card every election, then the GOP is not for you. We can't have 2 parties pushing more government and playing identity politics.


one more time, what Republican policy or principle has been evil to non-white people in the U.S.A, NAME 1?

And if your answer is some white racists vote Republican then this is not an argument. I can find evil nonwhites and racists that vote Democrat.
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Old 04-24-2018, 11:51 PM
 
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Listen to people like Michael Steele and others who blame the GOP for alienating nonwhites. You all want to be a party of old white men so this is who votes for you.

Conservatism is not a race or color. It's principles. Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, lower taxes, free markets, individual liberty, school choice, traditional American values and a strong national defense.

explain without getting personal and emotional with me how does that alienates non-whites?......I'm NOT WHITE and I wish we had those believes and principles in the government in Puerto Rico. Maybe I would have stayed and others too.


I know many Venezuelans in Utah that wish that their country had those principles so they wouldn't have to leave their country and their families and friends behind and see how a rich country in natural resources has become now. They are none-whites (if that makes any difference)

Tell me how you want the Republican party bring 70% of the non-whites who always vote Democrat WITHOUT compromising and violating their principles?

If it doesn't require more government, more welfare, more taxes and more government bureaucracy then I'm for it and most conservatives that I know.

Since you are a black man, what exactly you want the Republican party do for NON-Whites to get your vote ? should we have government policies and laws by race and groups ?...isn't that identity politics? divide everything by race and little groups? or should government policies be limited and equally applied to everybody?

once again, what Republican policy or principle has been evil to Non-whites in the U.S.? name 1.

You accused that the Republican Party only wants to be the party for only whites. I ask you, what policy and the conservative principle is exclusively for the white race?

personal responsibility?
limited government?
lower taxes?
School choice?
individual liberty?
Strong National Defense?

what does Michael Steele say in what the GOP needs to do to bring more non-whites to the party without compromising conservative principles?.
I don't ever hear Michael Steele or any Democrat say what the Democrat party needs to do to get white men to vote Democrat in bigger numbers? a true conservative never plays identity politics and it shouldn't be in politics.
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