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Old 03-06-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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And what about the 95% of Puerto Ricans who oppose independence?
That just means that 95% have Stockholm syndrome. That statistic only serves to show the depth of their mental conditioning and should not be used to influence any policy or decisions made. Go on and vote again. See if that changes anything.

What we should do is what is best for Puerto Ricans.
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Old 03-06-2018, 04:54 PM
 
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That is something that can change. As much as you would like to make it seem like it's legally impossible, it's really not.

Puerto Ricans used to be citizens of Spain, but then after Spain abandoned PR they were no longer Spanish citizens.

No, they weren't. That's the reason Puerto Ricans couldn't move freely to Spain back and forth without permission from the crown and the elites Spaniards in the colony who governed the island. You don't have any Puerto Rican population in Spain like Hawaii, New York and the other states under U.S. citizenship.....and Puerto Rico was a colony of Spain for 400 years compared to 120 years under the United States, Puerto Ricans had plenty of time to move to Spain to go to school and work better jobs since you say they had the citizenship of Spain. (they didn't)

You know what was the illiteracy rate in Puerto Rico under Spain? 85%,,,,, don't you think if Puerto Ricans had the Spanish citizenship they would have moved to Spain to get an education and get out of poverty?

Tell me how you take away the U.S. Citizenship of 8 million people involuntarily when the U.S. Supreme Court already ruled on this? please tell us your great plan how you are going override the U.S. Constitution and the U.S. Supreme Court?
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Old 03-06-2018, 05:00 PM
 
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That just means that 95% have Stockholm syndrome. That statistic only serves to show the depth of their mental conditioning and should not be used to influence any policy or decisions made. Go on and vote again. See if that changes anything.

What we should do is what is best for Puerto Ricans.

So any U.S. Citizen that doesn't vote the way you want (you are in the very tiny minority) then they have Stockholm syndrome?


How come we don't pay you 20k, take away your citizenship and send you to China.....many here think that is the best for the country....lol
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Old 03-06-2018, 05:18 PM
 
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I calmly responded to your lack of information and knowledge......you can't involuntarily strip 8 million U.S. Citizens of their citizenship just because you think Puerto Rico should be independent (which you don't live there and will never will, especially under a Republic) , which neither side wants.

Your suggestion is moot. No side wants it and you have constitutional rights involved that you and others here keep ignoring and making up rules and laws that don't exist as you go along to make your argument.



The window for Puerto Rico for independence was 1898-1917 (give or take 5 years), blame or give credit to our grandparents and great-grandparents.......once the U.S. treated Puerto Rico as a state in rights and federal benefits and declared all Puerto Ricans born in the island Natural born American citizens and over 95% accepted it then it was all over for independence. When you have more Puerto Ricans living in the states than in the island then it's all over for independence. Most of us are not going to give up our citizenship, rights, and benefits and return to an independent P.R. to the unknown, is not going to happen.


I'm calm....

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Old 03-07-2018, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Tijuana Exurbs
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you posted something that is NOT realistic and ignorant of the law and constitution and when I called you on it then your response is Tasmania devil territory and half-cocked? LMAO!!!!
Thank you for responding in a way that made my point - again.
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Old 03-07-2018, 05:25 AM
 
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what was your point again? oh yeah pay 20k to each Puerto Rican and make them go away.....got it!
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Old 03-07-2018, 08:22 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I calmly responded to your lack of information and knowledge......you can't involuntarily strip 8 million U.S. Citizens of their citizenship just because you think Puerto Rico should be independent (which you don't live there and will never will, especially under a Republic) , which neither side wants.

Your suggestion is moot. No side wants it and you have constitutional rights involved that you and others here keep ignoring and making up rules and laws that don't exist as you go along to make your argument.



The window for Puerto Rico for independence was 1898-1917 (give or take 5 years), blame or give credit to our grandparents and great-grandparents.......once the U.S. treated Puerto Rico as a state in rights and federal benefits and declared all Puerto Ricans born in the island Natural born American citizens and over 95% accepted it then it was all over for independence. When you have more Puerto Ricans living in the states than in the island then it's all over for independence. Most of us are not going to give up our citizenship, rights, and benefits and return to an independent P.R. to the unknown, is not going to happen.


I'm calm....
Just ignore these posters, no sense arguing with the un-American authoritarian statists.
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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LOL....what's the next bright idea.....pay black Americans 20k each and send them back to Africa.....The nerve of these people when they write here....damn! You try to talk some sense to them and they take offense....they take offense?.....the nerve.....lol
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Old 03-07-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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Just ignore these posters, no sense arguing with the un-American authoritarian statists.
statists or Sadists?
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Old 03-07-2018, 12:35 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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That just means that 95% have Stockholm syndrome.
This, the lynchpin of your argument, is also it greatest weakness.

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That statistic only serves to show the depth of their mental conditioning and should not be used to influence any policy or decisions made.
It is a made up statistic about a condition of the Puerto Rican people that does not exist, much less affect 95% of the population.

There are surely Puerto Ricans whose opinions on statehood vs. independence are influenced by a lack of information, bad information, or an emotionally guided opinion, but your assertion that virtually the whole population is essentially psychologically hypnotized is beyond any rational support.

tl;dr Nope. No. Made up BS.

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What we should do is what is best for Puerto Ricans.
Who is "we", and why are Puerto Ricans being treated by "we" as a mentally deficient ward of the state?


The entire premise of this topic is not only hubristic and paternalistic, it is incredibly insulting to Puerto Ricans.
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