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Old 06-25-2010, 07:44 PM
 
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Reid has maintained this stance in similar situations in the past. He just keeps his head down and moves other pieces of legislation through the Senate.

Meanwhile, Sandy Levin, the Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, will do all the grunt work getting agreement among the House members on this stand-alone -- and coordinating with key Senators for their subsequent support.

When the House has something passed and poised for acceptance in the Senate, Reid will pop it on the Senate agenda and move it through.
That's interesting, thanks.
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Old 06-25-2010, 09:14 PM
 
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So where we're at now, at least according to public statements, is that Pelosi wants to pass a separate benefits package, but Reid isn't going to cooperate because he's so convinced he doesn't have the votes for a stand-alone, that he won't even bother bringing it up. Meanwhile, republicans, represented by Snowe, announced they support a stand-alone. Is that right?
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Remember the promise of 5 million new jobs?
Everyone in Washington - including Pelosi, Reid, McConnell, etc., etc., KNOW there is no way a meaningful number of private sector jobs can be created anytime in the next five - ten years and probably never.

But, it is political suicide to admit this. So, this gamesmanship continues. Fall elections will result in new dogs with the same fleas. Nothing will ever change in Washington. And, God forbid, after the fall elections, the Republicans will gain seats and then the shizz will really hit the fan.

I see nothing good coming - at all.
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Old 06-26-2010, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Live in NY, work in CT
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Everyone in Washington - including Pelosi, Reid, McConnell, etc., etc., KNOW there is no way a meaningful number of private sector jobs can be created anytime in the next five - ten years and probably never.

But, it is political suicide to admit this. So, this gamesmanship continues. Fall elections will result in new dogs with the same fleas. Nothing will ever change in Washington. And, God forbid, after the fall elections, the Republicans will gain seats and then the shizz will really hit the fan.

I see nothing good coming - at all.
You know what? They said this in 1983 and 1994 as well. It looks very bleak right now, but I don't completely buy it (although I do think if WW II didn't happen, we likely would've been "up the creek" in the 1930s and 40s). Anyone here old enough to remember the sudden turnaround in late 1983 and 84? (Admittedly, barely for me as I was in the middle of high school). And you realize by the end of the 1990s we had annual budget SURPLUSES for a couple of years?

What goes around comes around.
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Old 06-26-2010, 07:26 AM
 
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Everyone in Washington - including Pelosi, Reid, McConnell, etc., etc., KNOW there is no way a meaningful number of private sector jobs can be created anytime in the next five - ten years and probably never.

But, it is political suicide to admit this. So, this gamesmanship continues. Fall elections will result in new dogs with the same fleas. Nothing will ever change in Washington. And, God forbid, after the fall elections, the Republicans will gain seats and then the shizz will really hit the fan.

I see nothing good coming - at all.
Why not? The jobs were created years ago - all those manufacturing jobs, the garment industry, help desk jobs and so on.

The jobs are still in existence, they were exported for cheap labor reasons.

It took this long after NAFTA was signed to get to this point but globalism can be crushed.
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Old 06-26-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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Why not? The jobs were created years ago - all those manufacturing jobs, the garment industry, help desk jobs and so on.

The jobs are still in existence, they were exported for cheap labor reasons.

It took this long after NAFTA was signed to get to this point but globalism can be crushed.
I think it has a lot to due with the fact that the economic engine over the last decade was predicated on a fraud. The sub-prime market pumped a ton of money into economies based off of lies. Once the ponzi scheme ended, then the world economies collapsed. Basically this means that a huge amount of the jobs created were based off a fraud. It is very unlikely we are going to see that level of money being invested & tossed around for decades, if ever. Unless we have another global fraud...
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Old 06-26-2010, 06:17 PM
 
Location: NY-> AZ-> NC->PA->Clayton, NC
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If I understand all this correctly, and there's a good chance I don't, Pelosi hasn't promised or stated she will definitely be doing ANYTHING about a stand-alone bill, right?

She's mentioned something saying she may be able to get something together, but that's far from stating it will be worked on over the weekend, which is sounds like would have to be done to try to get this taken care of next week.

There haven't been any press statements, as far as I know, since the last once Pelosi made on Friday. I think, in this case, that no news may be bad news. I hope I'm proven wrong.
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Old 06-26-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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If this get through is there any hope for the 99ers?
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Old 06-26-2010, 08:21 PM
 
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If this get through is there any hope for the 99ers?
No
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Old 06-26-2010, 09:29 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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If I understand all this correctly, and there's a good chance I don't, Pelosi hasn't promised or stated she will definitely be doing ANYTHING about a stand-alone bill, right?

She's mentioned something saying she may be able to get something together, but that's far from stating it will be worked on over the weekend, which is sounds like would have to be done to try to get this taken care of next week.

There haven't been any press statements, as far as I know, since the last once Pelosi made on Friday. I think, in this case, that no news may be bad news. I hope I'm proven wrong.
The Speaker of the House does not generally introduce legislation. A bill would normally be drafted by a member of the House -- or a group of members who serve on the House Ways and Means Committee. Then the Chairman of the the House Ways and means Committee ensures that the bill gets vetted -- and if he believes the bill is viable, he will organize the effort to build sufficient support to get the bill passed by the house.

The current Chairman -- Sandy Levin -- has also proven very skillful at connecting with key Senators as the House develops/amends bills. Those inter-chamber efforts help pave the way for the bill into the Senate.

Just FYI -- preliminary discussions about possible legislation that are held over weekends are rarely publicized, because frequently not everyone in the House pecking order can be contacted and consulted on weekends.

It is unlikely that anything will be announced until the House reconvenes next week -- after everyone in the House who needs to be in the loop about a new bill is brought into the loop.

Some "trial balloons" -- vague references to ideas that are kicking around to solve this situation -- may be mentioned on the Sunday morning political talk shows. But given the events of this week (e.g., the worsening BP saga, the McChrystal fiasco, the controversy over the pending Kagan Supreme Court nomination, etc.), I don't see unemployment having all that much chance of making the cut.
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