HR 6091 -New Tier 5- 20 Weeks states -at 10 % (work, employment, number)

[ennazus72]

This is probably a stupid question, but should we still be calling in every two weeks to keep the numbers up even though our benefits have run out?

[diorgirl]

Originally Posted by ennazus72

This is probably a stupid question, but should we still be calling in every two weeks to keep the numbers up even though our benefits have run out?

If you have exhausted your benefits, most state UI systems will not accept your continued attempts to certify every two weeks -- since the systems have no further reason to keep records of your employment status.

[WannaliveinGreenville]

This is the first I had seen and heard of about this new HR 6091.

My understanding is : That you -upon this Bill passing would begin the tier 5 ( HR 6091 ) but would not get anything retroactively . It would begin the date it passes.

I suppose if you were on tier 4 and it passed you would move right into it ..

Not sure if the other HR Bill Proposal ( for the 7% tier 5 ) is much the same.

Could it be that Berkely and McDermott who created this bill see more states at 10% and above by the time this Bill passes ?

[diorgirl]

Originally Posted by WannaliveinGreenville

This is the first I had seen and heard of about this new HR 6091.

My understanding is : That you -upon this Bill passing would begin the tier 5 ( HR 6091 ) but would not get anything retroactively . It would begin the date it passes.

I suppose if you were on tier 4 and it passed you would move right into it ..

Not sure if the other HR Bill Proposal ( for the 7% tier 5 ) is much the same.

Could it be that Berkely and McDermott who created this bill see more states at 10% and above by the time this Bill passes ?

The Emergency Unemployment Compensation Extension Act of 2010 (HR 6091) was introduced on August 10, 2010. It is currently in the House Ways and Means Committee for review -- which will proceed when the House returns from summer recess next month.

The other bill -- proposed in the Senate, not the House -- is The Americans Want to Work Act (S.3706), and it also provides a 20-week Tier V but at a lower trigger of 7.5%.

The text of HR 6091 that is publicly available at this time is incomplete. However -- as with all legislation for "new" federal unemployment benefit Tiers -- HR 6091 states that no retroactive payments of the Tier V that it proposes will be made for unemployed weeks before the date that the legislation is enacted.

In addition, the draft available does not specify the sources of funding -- probably because the Congressional Budget Office has not yet scored the bill. However, the bill refers to itself as a continuation of the Supplemental Appropriations Act, which implies that the funding would be the same -- "emergency spending."

Finally, it's unlikely that the sponsors of the bill were anticipating rising unemployment rates when they specified the 10% trigger -- and more likely that they were trying to contain costs by limiting the availability of the additional benefit weeks to those states hardest hit by the very highest unemployment.

Because Tier III has a trigger of 6% and Tier IV has a trigger of 8.5%, the next highest trigger in the sequence for Tier V could reasonably be 10%. However, that rationale fails to consider the obvious fact that the people who need the additional benefits have exhausted the existing programs -- and are no longer counted in the unemployment rates. So these people would not be reflected in any trigger based on progressively higher rates.

Instead, it would be much more logical to set the trigger for a new Tier within the gap between Tier III and Tier IV (6%-8.5%), to capture the unemployed (a) in states where the rates have stabilized at unacceptably high levels, and (b) where the numbers of those who have fallen off the UI benefit roles (and are, therefore, no longer counted) are a growing percentage of the unemployed population.

[ennazus72]

Too bad the 99er's can't keep calling in every two weeks just to show the real unemployment rate right now.

[ReturningWest]

Well I hope the HR 6091 doesn't fly, I live in GA and until last month our "official" UI was over 10% now all of a sudden its 9.5%. Gov't UI rates don't tell the true story. I'm a 99er and in desperate need of funds and weeks away from loosing utilities and my home. What difference does it make where you live, we are still unemployed. My industry is gone, I've re-invented myself and taken training, I'm at least on occasion getting interviews now, but I still face age discrimination. Until I took the re-training I had 4 interviews in 2 years, now I've had 3 interviews in 5 months, not much of an improvement but better than nothing.

What I still don't understand is what are we supposed to do? Go homeless and starve? I've paid into the system for 40+ years for that unemployment insurance, I think under these extraordinary circumstances, I should be elegible for more than 2 years if I need it.

I truly hope no one is having to go through what I am. I've sold my family heirlooms for pennies on the dollar to stay afloat, I've cut my services down to the bare minimum to stay afloat, I'm going through every thing I own to list and sell to try and stay afloat. I will be 60 soon and have worked hard all my life and staring homelessness and starvation in the face is not something I want to do. Again with the math thing, there are 5-6 people for every 1 job in the USA today, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH JOBS.

[marycotter5678]

Any new updates on this? When are they coming back from vacation?

[diorgirl]

Originally Posted by marycotter5678

Any new updates on this? When are they coming back from vacation?

Most recent update posted yesterday:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/unemp...l#post15702128

Congress is scheduled to reconvene on Monday, September 13, 2010.

[changeyourthoughts]

What I am not understanding regarding this possible Tier 5 is that one has to have exhausted ALL benefits before being able to receive it? I am in FL, everyone in FL will be done with all benefits December 4th if they have qualified to that point of course. So if someone is still receiving benefits until Dec 4th and this bill for Tier 5 gets passed prior to Dec 4, will they let you move from EB to the new Tier 5? What is the likelihood of this being passed? Is this the one bill out there that could extend benefits beyond Dec 4th?

I dont even know if this Dec 4th cut off is just for Florida or nation wide. I am currently slated to finish Tier 4 first or second week of November, then apply for EB and receive it until Dec4th. Would I be eligible to receive this Tier 5, should it pass sometime in Oct or Nov?

Help!!!!!! This only gets more confusing! thanks!!!!!!!!!!! :0

[diorgirl]

Originally Posted by changeyourthoughts

What I am not understanding regarding this possible Tier 5 is that one has to have exhausted ALL benefits before being able to receive it? I am in FL, everyone in FL will be done with all benefits December 4th if they have qualified to that point of course. So if someone is still receiving benefits until Dec 4th and this bill for Tier 5 gets passed prior to Dec 4, will they let you move from EB to the new Tier 5? What is the likelihood of this being passed? Is this the one bill out there that could extend benefits beyond Dec 4th?

I dont even know if this Dec 4th cut off is just for Florida or nation wide. I am currently slated to finish Tier 4 first or second week of November, then apply for EB and receive it until Dec4th. Would I be eligible to receive this Tier 5, should it pass sometime in Oct or Nov?

Help!!!!!! This only gets more confusing! thanks!!!!!!!!!!! :0

Neither the Senate bill nor the House bill for a Tier V has been finalized for discussion yet -- so it is impossible to know which variation will even be up for debate at this time. In addition, nothing is known about a possible extension of the eligibility cut-off dates at the end of November for the existing Tiers or the extension of 100% federal funding for EB.

Don't expect any details to emerge before the Congress reconvenes the week of September 13.