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Old 11-30-2012, 11:16 PM
 
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I am in California and am on the Tier 1 level for unemployment benefits, so I have to do 3 job searches every week, which I am currently doing. I know that I can use the employment ads in the newspaper as 1 of my job searches per week. I was told by EDD that I could use the newspaper even if I didn't find any work, but to document that I looked. But, as an example, I'll always see an ad for some cold calling sales for commission job where they will supposedly train. I guess technically I could do this, but it is far out of my usual occupational range and there's no way I could support my family doing this. So here's my question. Can I put down that I looked in the paper but didn't find anything if there are these type of jobs available and I didn't apply? I assumed that we are to be looking for realistic employment. I don't want to use the paper as a job search and have it come back to haunt me.

Also, I have been filing using web-cert and keeping track of my job searches for the past 3 months and EDD still hasn't asked to see my work search info. Are they ever going to ask? Has anyone had EDD contact them for this information?

Thanks for any info you may be able to give me.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:49 PM
 
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I am in California and am on the Tier 1 level for unemployment benefits, so I have to do 3 job searches every week, which I am currently doing. I know that I can use the employment ads in the newspaper as 1 of my job searches per week.

You can use the paper as a search. However, if you apply to 3 jobs you find in the paper, you can use it as all 3. Does that make sense?

I was told by EDD that I could use the newspaper even if I didn't find any work, but to document that I looked. But, as an example, I'll always see an ad for some cold calling sales for commission job where they will supposedly train. I guess technically I could do this, but it is far out of my usual occupational range and there's no way I could support my family doing this. So here's my question. Can I put down that I looked in the paper but didn't find anything if there are these type of jobs available and I didn't apply?

Yes. At this point in the EDD world, you are still allowed to be looking for jobs that are within your normal field and that pay an equivalent amount to what you were making. There does come a point when you may face issue with that, but you are not there yet.


I assumed that we are to be looking for realistic employment. I don't want to use the paper as a job search and have it come back to haunt me.

You won't. Although my recommendation would be to use the internet as well as Cal-Jobs. Yes, the site is a pain, badly set up and I was never able to log on without setting a new password, but having some of your searches come from the site CA requires of you is not a bad idea.

Also, I have been filing using web-cert and keeping track of my job searches for the past 3 months and EDD still hasn't asked to see my work search info. Are they ever going to ask? Has anyone had EDD contact them for this information?

The answer is they may or they may not. The answer to your second question is yes. I have had them ask. I brought in my resume, the equivalent of 5 searches per week in a neat log, wore interview attire and was in and out of the audit in about 15 minutes.

Also, if the tiers continue, there is a recertification interview somewhere, I THINK in Tier 2. So you will need them at that time.

If you apply online you can print out the email responses you get and those will suffice.


Thanks for any info you may be able to give me.
Good luck
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:27 AM
 
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As of October 21, 2012 they are now doing weekly random audits for work search histories of claimants on federal extensions. I know of a couple people already who have received letters asking for job search info and also proof you may have, ie screenshots of sent resumes in email, etc. They will be contacting at least one of your search contacts to verify that you were in touch. Here's a link from the US Department of Labor detailing the state requirements for audits...it's a lot to wade through but it's a good peek into what the states will be doing.

What's New in Workforce Investment?, Employment & Training Administration (ETA) - U.S. Department of Labor
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Old 12-01-2012, 01:07 AM
 
Location: California
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Actually, if you read it, they will not necessarily be contacting one of the contacts to verify. It says they can "as appropriate" and in fact it has always been this way. They almost never do this when the claimant has a work search history that shows emails and actual contacts etc.

I know the intent to be helpful was there, but not giving all the information will end up freaking people out. It in fact says, and I quote"states must attempt to verify at least one work search activity or contact...different methods ma be used...the state may verify...by requesting the claimant provide...email log....claimant providing documentation that shows the employer's acknowledgement of the application...another method would be contacting the employer by phone, if appropriate"

In fact, if you have the emails from the contacts, and a log that shows repeated attempts, they very possibly will not call the employer contact. So, all those people who see your post and panic because they do not have phone numbers of contacts, etc...well, it is not as black and white as you make it seem.

And, yes, I read the entire document.

As for knowing a couple of people, it is less than .5% of claimants...I doubt seriously that you know anyone who has received a letter, much less 2 as it is 2 in every 400 claimants. More likely you know someone who has to go in for the review that EVERYONE has during the 1st and 2nd tier.

Please, with all due respect, having a little knowledge that you are not sure of can cause a lot of harm.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:06 AM
 
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In this link from the document:

http://wdr.doleta.gov/directives/att...4_10_Chg10.pdf

It says:

"in conducting random audits, states must verify at least one work search activity or contact listed by the claimant. A number of different methods may be used by states to verify work search activity. For example, if the claimant indicated that s/he sent a résumé to an employer by email, the state may verify that the resume was sent by requesting that the claimant provide a snapshot of his/her "Sent Items" email log. This will contain information such as the recipient, subject of the document, the date and time the document was received by the intended recipient, etc. verification can also be made by the claimant providing documentation that shows the employer's acknowledgment of the application and/or resume. In the states notification to claimants, the state should advise claimants that they should retain copies of such email exchanges and/or other electronic evidence as part of their work search records. Another verification method would be contacting the employer by phone, as appropriate. This is a traditional practice that states already use.

The statute makes these audits mandatory, it does not allow the Department to waive the requirement."

(I know that's the same article you quoted parts of)

So the way I read it, the word "must" means that the state HAS TO verify at least one contact, and the fact that they say audits are mandatory and not able to be waived means exactly that. Contacting the employer by phone "as appropriate" is listed as a possible method, but the fact remains that for the people selected for audit, one contact MUST be verified, in one way or another, via phone or other method

i'm not confusing the audits with the REA meetings, also. I know two people who have received work search audits in the last 2 weeks. I didn't say they were both from CA...one is my old colleague, from Ohio, who is an unemployed x-ray tech. He posted on Facebook that he'd gotten it, and I emailed him asking questions. One is from CA, the Lakewood area, a good friend, an out of work office manager. I actually saw her audit letter. The requirements are the same as the CA form you fill out except for one difference: you have to list the method you used to contact them (website, phone, in person etc) so there are 7 questions you have to fill out, not 6. It also says to attach any proof you have.

I know that the devil is in the details, so many people have a hard time pinpointing just what is going on. My benefits are almost up and still no job, but in a way I will be glad to be done with all of this

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Old 12-01-2012, 02:22 AM
 
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Just checked my FB messages from my friend in Ohio, this is the link he gave me when I was asking about what his letter said:

https://unemployment.ohio.gov/Public...iceChoice.html

Looks like they are only auditing weeks paid on or after October 21, which makes sense because my friend in CA's letter was for the week of October 28-Nov 3. So, everybody keep those records up to date!
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:40 AM
 
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Thanks for the great information! i just had one more question. I started going back through all of my job searches and I have a small problem. I have a couple of jobs that I applied to (two on the employer's site, one through careerbuilder and one through job.com) that I did not get an email confirmation for. Is this unusual or do some employers just not sent a confirmation? Any input would be appreciated.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:06 AM
 
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Not all of them send a confirmation. What you can do is go to the website you used and try to re=apply to the job. This will usually result in a message appearing that you have already applied to the position and a date.

If you tell EDD, if they ask, that this is what you did, I am pretty sure they will have no issue. I have been through an audit and as long as you are respectful, take it seriously, and treat them like they are doing their jobs and are not the enemy, in my experience they are reasonable people.
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:22 AM
 
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For track-ability reasons, I have come to rely on craigslist.com for my EDD work-search DOCUMENTATION.

I was able to speak in-person with an Unemployment Department specialist and I asked him how to use document craigslist.com info and I followed his instruction for 1.5 years and had no problems.

To use craigslist.org, this is what I was told to do:

Date applied was the date (and time) I sent my resume and cover letter to the prospective employer.

Company name, company address, and person contacted were where I wrote the craigslist.org email address. (It is a really long email address.)

Type of work applied for was the craigslist.org job caption.

Results were listed as Pending.

This is an example:

01/01/2013 A1B2C-1234567890.JOB.CRAIGSLIST.ORG BOOKKEEPER PENDING


Also, to be on the safe side, I always documented FOUR (instead of 3) for each week. (And, I actually would apply for more than 4 jobs, but the ones I documented were the "best" ones for that week.)

I also, for back-up / proof documentation purposes, I would do the following:

01. Print out the first page of the craigslist.org job listing (this would prove that I did NOT make something up.)
02. Use a web-mail program like gmail to reply to that job listing.
03. Click the craigslist.org reply button.
04. Select the gmail choice as my reply method.
05. Paste a pre-prepared cover letter into the text portion of the email.
06. Attach my resume to the email.
07. Send the email.
08. Go to my gmail program.
09. Open the email I just sent.
10. Put the print-out from 01 above back into the printer's "letterhead" slot with the blank side up.
11. Print out the first page of the email that I just sent.
12. The end result was that on one side of a sheet of paper I had the job listing and on the other I had my response.
13. File the eight sheets of paper into an Avery Item 324262 sheet protector (two weeks with four jobs per week).
14. File the sheet protector into a three-ring binder.
15. Label the three-ring binder as Unemployment.
16. Use black ink or black fine sharpie to complete the BACK of the CA EDD claim form the way I described above.
17. Use black ink or black fine sharpie to complete the FRONT of the CA EDD claim form.
18. Photocopy BOTH the front and back of the completed CA EDD claim form.
19. Place the photocopy into the same sheet protector as the eight sheets of paper in 13 above.
20. Repeat the next time.

Doing this: saved paper; provided proof of when the job listing occurred; provided proof of when I responded to the job; provided proof that I had completed the back of the CA EDD claim form; provided proof that I had completed the front of the CA EDD claim form; provided an easy "index/filing" system; made it that I did NOT need to three-hole punch any papers; and, made it easy to show any EDD Unemployment auditor that I had conducted an organized search for work for any week in question. NOTE: I also stored any other EDD Unemployment contact materials into the Unemployment Binder in separate Avery Item 324262 sheet protectors.
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