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Will the dates change when the deal passes? I am having a hard time explaining what I mean, but for ex, if you didn't qualify for Tier 2 under the old law, will that date range change now that may make you eligible?
Any short-term extension (one-two months) will probably continue the legislation as it exists now, which means if your state qualifies to pay Tier 2, you would remain eligible for Tier 2 at least until the extension expires.
A long-term extension of one-year, may change any or all of the terms of the current unemployment legislation.
However, there may be hope. Just picked this up off the NYT:
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Democrats also secured a full year’s extension of unemployment insurance without strings attached, a $30 billion cost.
Any short-term extension (one-two months) will probably continue the legislation as it exists now, which means if your state qualifies to pay Tier 2, you would remain eligible for Tier 2 at least until the extension expires.
A long-term extension of one-year, may change any or all of the terms of the current unemployment legislation.
However, there may be hope. Just picked this up off the NYT:
Hope for what? The one year extension? Again, just unsure of how the tiers would work if the extension passes.
My family member just started on Tier 1 this month. According to the old terms, they would not be able to go to Tier 2. So we are wondering will this change and now make the eligble for Tier 2? Doesn't seem fair people who have collected for years still get and those who just came in are only allowed one tier. Or was that only becuase of the dates with the old laws and extensions and now yes, the dates will change to suit the new extension law coming from this fiscal deal?
Hope for what? The one year extension? Again, just unsure of how the tiers would work if the extension passes.
Nobody knows how the "tiers would work" until we see the terms of the new legislation. One or more tiers could remain the same - or be reduced, or have higher triggers, or be eliminated.
Talk of a one-year extension is a good sign. At least Congress recognizes benefits need to continue to be paid. In what form - it is TOO EARLY to tell.
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Originally Posted by WiseWords
My family member just started on Tier 1 this month. According to the old terms, they would not be able to go to Tier 2.
According to the old terms, your family member's benefits on Tier 1 have nowended as of 12/29.
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Originally Posted by WiseWords
So we are wondering will this change and now make the eligble for Tier 2? Doesn't seem fair people who have collected for years still get and those who just came in are only allowed one tier. Or was that only becuase of the dates with the old laws and extensions and now yes, the dates will change to suit the new extension law coming from this fiscal deal?
FAQS explains terms of the 2012 legislation, here:
Congress can be unpredictable in how it tweaks the legislation. It was last year in its short-term extension wherein it effectively, and subtly, eliminated EB.
We don't know what Congress will do. We'll just have to wait. As far as new claimants collecting fewer benefits - unfortunately, that has been the trend since December 2011. Life isn't fair. Just the way it is. With UE rates dropping, new claimants in many states won't be able to collect what people did a few years ago - even if there are no changes in the new legislation.
In other words, new claimants are in the wrong place at the wrong time. However, there are more jobs available in some states - so hopefully any unemployment experienced by the newer claimants won't last as long.
Last edited by Ariadne22; 12-31-2012 at 02:02 PM..
From another poster - said he copied it as best he could:
The American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012: Unemployment Provisions
TITLE V—UNEMPLOYMENT
SEC. 501. EXTENSION OF EMERGENCY UNEMPLOYMENT
COMPENSATION PROGRAM.
(a) EXTENSION.—Section 4007(a)(2) of the Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2008 (Public Law 110–252; 26 U.S.C. 3304 note) is amended by striking ‘‘January 2, 2013’’ and inserting ‘‘January 1, 2014’’.
(b) FUNDING.—Section 4004(e)(1) of the Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2008 (Public Law 110–252;26 U.S.C. 3304 note) is amended—
(1) in subparagraph (H), by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end; and
(2) by inserting after subparagraph (I) the following:
‘‘(J) the amendments made by section
501(a) of the American Taxpayer Relief Act of
2012;’’.
(c) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by
this section shall take effect as if included in the enactment of the Unemployment Benefits Extension Act of 2012 (Public Law 112–96)
SEC. 502. TEMPORARY EXTENSION OF EXTENDED BENEFIT
PROVISIONS.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 2005 of the Assistance for Unemployed Workers and Struggling Families Act, as contained in Public Law 111–5 (26 U.S.C. 3304 note), is amended—
(1) by striking ‘‘December 31, 2012’’ each place it appears and inserting ‘‘December 31, 2013’’; and
(2) in subsection (c), by striking ‘‘June 30, 2013’’ and inserting ‘‘June 30, 2014’’.
(b) EXTENSION OF MATCHING FOR STATES WITH NO WAITING WEEK .—Section 5 of the Unemployment Compensation Extension Act of 2008 (Public Law 110–449; 26 U.S.C. 3304 note) is amended by striking ‘‘June 30, 2013’’ and inserting ‘‘June 30, 2014’’.
(c) EXTENSION OF MODIFICATION OF INDICATORS
8
UNDER THE EXTENDED BENEFIT PROGRAM.—Section 203 of the Federal-State Extended Unemployment Compensation Act of 1970 (26 U.S.C. 3304 note) is amended—
(1) in subsection (d), by striking ‘‘December 31, 2012’’ and inserting ‘‘December 31, 2013’’; and
(2) in subsection (f)(2), by striking ‘‘December 31, 2012’’ and inserting ‘‘December 31, 2013’’.
(d) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by this section shall take effect as if included in the enactment of the Unemployment Benefits Extension Act of 2012 (Public Law 112–96).
SEC. 503. EXTENSION OF FUNDING FOR REEMPLOYMENT SERVICES AND REEMPLOYMENT AND ELIGIBILITY ASSESSMENT ACTIVITIES.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 4004(c)(2)(A) of the Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2008 (Public Law 110–252; 26 U.S.C. 3304 note) is amended by striking ‘‘through fiscal year 2013’’ and inserting ‘‘through fiscal year 2014’’.
(b) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by this section shall take effect as if included in the enactment of the Unemployment Benefits Extension Act of 2012 (Public Law 112–96)
SEC. 504. ADDITIONAL EXTENDED UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS UNDER THE RAILROAD UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE ACT.
(a) EXTENSION.—Section 2(c)(2)(D)(iii) of the Railroad Unemployment Insurance Act, as added by section 2006 of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Public Law 111–5) and as amended by section 9 of the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009 (Public Law 111–92), section 505 of the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 (Public Law 111–312), section 202 of the Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act of 2011 (Public Law 112–78), and section 2124 of the Unemployment Benefits Extension Act of 2012 (Public Law 112–96), is amended—
(1) by striking ‘‘June 30, 2012’’ and inserting ‘‘June 30, 2013’’; and
(2) by striking ‘‘December 31, 2012’’ and inserting ‘‘December 31, 2013’’.
(b) CLARIFICATION ON AUTHORITY TO USE FUNDS .—Funds appropriated under either the first or second sentence of clause (iv) of section 2(c)(2)(D) of the Railroad Unemployment Insurance Act shall be available to cover the cost of additional extended unemployment benefits provided under such section 2(c)(2)(D) by reason of the amendments made by subsection (a) as well as to cover the cost of such benefits provided under such section 2(c)(2)(D), as in effect on the day before the date of enactment of this Act.
(c) FUNDING FOR ADMINISTRATION.—Out of any funds in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, there are appropriated to the Railroad Retirement Board $250,000 for administrative expenses associated with the payment of additional extended unemployment benefits provided under section 2(c)(2)(D) of the Railroad Unemployment Insurance Act by reason of the amendments made by subsection (a), to remain available until expended.
Hopefully this means that all dates remain the same and "2012" in existing tiers just becomes "2013" now. I know this depends on different states and where they are with EB etc, but am encouraged that the new amendments are mandated to be applied "as if included" in the previous law.
I was looking at the FAQS thread at the last review Ariadne22 added and I'm not sure if changing 2012 to 2013 is detailed enough for some of the dates. But, I believe, if you are collecting now either state or tier benefits you will continue through to the end, wherever that maybe.
Expect delays while the states change their computers.
I'm not sure if changing 2012 to 2013 is detailed enough for some of the dates.
Agree.....the interim dates for tiers will matter. Hopefully, they will remain the same (but in 2013) and not create new tiers, eligibility, etc. I think the intent should certainly be that everyone keeps their "place in line" as it were, and gets to continue as if the original law had 2013 as then ending date instead of 2012.
The "as if included in the previous law" language gives me hope. I don't know about other states, but Florida has not as of yet posted one word about any of this.
I'm not sure if changing 2012 to 2013 is detailed enough for some of the dates.
Agree.....the interim dates for tiers will matter. Hopefully, they will remain the same (but in 2013) and not create new tiers, eligibility, etc. I think the intent should certainly be that everyone keeps their "place in line" as it were, and gets to continue as if the original law had 2013 as then ending date instead of 2012.
The "as if included in the previous law" language gives me hope. I don't know about other states, but Florida has not as of yet posted one word about any of this.
That's what I'm thinking too. We won't see states make updates until after House passes the bill and even then it may take weeks for the states to fix everything! I think I said here earlier, expect delays in payment for awhile.
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