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Old 07-12-2010, 05:53 PM
 
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They want to look busy until WV senator comes along.

It's like when we had jobs and our bosses would pop in unexpectedly when we were in-between projects so we did lots of unnecessary busy work so we didn't get in trouble. I guess that problem affects the Senate too!

 
Old 07-12-2010, 06:03 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Now I'm a bit confused, if HR 5618 requires just a majority vote, why all the hoopla about HR 4213? I realize that BEFORE 5618 it was a big deal and obviously 4213 has more than just the UI extensions, but if 5618 passes, then is the whole debacle about UI over? And what becomes of the UI extension provisions in 4213?
The federal unemployment benefits provisions in both bills are identical.

The major difference between HR 5618 and HR 4213 is the fact that HR 5618 includes only federal unemployment benefits. HR 4213 includes federal unemployment benefits -- and other programs that Reid wants to get passed. So Reid is trying to hold out for passage of HR 4213.

If HR 5618 is passed, the amendment to HR 4213 containing the federal unemployment programs is simply cut from HR 4213 -- and Reid still has to work to pass the programs remaining in HR 4213.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 06:05 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Yeah, was confusing the two, Sherrod's one of the staunchest supporters of the bill so it may just be "political theatre" unfortuantely.....
Two different Senators:
Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), long-time supporter of federal unemployment benefits funded as emergency expenses

Scott Brown (R-Mass.), supporter of federal unemployment benefits only if they do not add to the deficit.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Live in NY State, (sometimes) work in CT
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The federal unemployment benefits provisions in both bills are identical.

The major difference between HR 5618 and HR 4213 is the fact that HR 5618 includes only federal unemployment benefits. HR 4213 includes federal unemployment benefits -- and other programs that Reid wants to get passed. So Reid is trying to hold out for passage of HR 4213.

If HR 5618 is passed, the amendment to HR 4213 containing the federal unemployment programs is simply cut from HR 4213 -- and Reid still has to work to pass the programs remaining in HR 4213.
So Reid has a way to pass this with a simple majority vote and he's saying "no" because he wants to bundle it with other things? Maybe the "Maine twins" were right that Reid obstructs by refusing a standalone bill......I think Nancy Pelosi should bash some sense into his head!

Too bad the press isn't noting this enough.......

This just in, tonight was "political theatre": http://all247news.com/senate-adjourns-for-day-sherrod-brown-pleads-unemployment-extension/1747/ (broken link)
 
Old 07-12-2010, 06:45 PM
 
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The thing I don't get is why did the House come up with this new bill in the first place? It's not "paid for", which means like it's predecessor, it has no republican support (except for the Maine Twins).

Seems like much ado about nothing. Reid has shown he will not take one penny out of the stimulus to pay for UB. Which means this new bill will suffer the fate of the last one--one vote shy.

If the WV senator comes along, slam dunk for Reid, and the republicans don't have to worry about voting yes on a bill they know will inevitably pass.

The only fly in the ointment is if this WV governor is lying about appointing a new sen. by Sunday at the latest. Some are saying he's dragging this out inevitably so he can fill the vacancy in November, but he's even said he won't appoint himself. Who knows.

Maybe the House just wants to make the Senate look bad. "Hey guys, did y'all forget about the Unemployment thing? Just in case, here's another bill you can try to pass that will get no republican support."
 
Old 07-12-2010, 06:48 PM
 
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This just in, tonight was "political theatre": Senate Adjourns For Day - Sherrod Brown Pleads Unemployment Extension | All247News (http://all247news.com/senate-adjourns-for-day-sherrod-brown-pleads-unemployment-extension/1747/ - broken link)
Yeah, just same old same old. They had 60 votes with Voinovich who offered a compromise: 50% deficit, 50% stimulus.

Neither side is willing to budge. But this Brown guy can make some more speeches though.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 06:50 PM
 
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The thing I don't get is why did the House come up with this new bill in the first place? It's not "paid for", which means like it's predecessor, it has no republican support (except for the Maine Twins).

Seems like much ado about nothing. Reid has shown he will not take one penny out of the stimulus to pay for UB. Which means this new bill will suffer the fate of the last one--one vote shy.

If the WV senator comes along, slam dunk for Reid, and the republicans don't have to worry about voting yes on a bill they know will inevitably pass.

The only fly in the ointment is if this WV governor is lying about appointing a new sen. by Sunday at the latest. Some are saying he's dragging this out inevitably so he can fill the vacancy in November, but he's even said he won't appoint himself. Who knows.

Maybe the House just wants to make the Senate look bad. "Hey guys, did y'all forget about the Unemployment thing? Just in case, here's another bill you can try to pass that will get no republican support."

It probrably brings in some Centrist votes (probrably Dems that had issues with other provisions of the bill but on a stand alone had less of an issue)
 
Old 07-12-2010, 06:53 PM
 
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It probrably brings in some Centrist votes (probrably Dems that had issues with other provisions of the bill but on a stand alone had less of an issue)
It would seem so but if it's not paid for it's not bringing in any republican senate votes. As far as I can tell the House doesn't even matter right now, their bill is irrelevant since it's not funded for just like the older one. The senate is where the action is. If they weren't going to vote for the one last time why would they all of the sudden change their minds on a bill that is just as unfunded as the previous?

Oh well. Hopefully this WV thing works out and it's done next week.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 06:59 PM
 
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Too bad the press isn't noting this enough.......
They need air time to cover Lindsay Lohan's fingernails.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 07:05 PM
 
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Senate Won't Vote on Unemployment Benefits Extensions Until Robert Byrd Replacement Named



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Maybe take another min-vacation until next week?
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