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Old 04-05-2012, 04:33 PM
 
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Moon in Scorpio, Moon in Pisces, Moon in Saj, 12th house Sun positions, more predispositons for drug/alcohol abuse!
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Old 04-06-2012, 03:09 AM
 
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Moon in Scorpio, Moon in Pisces, Moon in Saj, 12th house Sun positions, more predispositons for drug/alcohol abuse!
Mars in Picses and Cancer too. In general, the water signs are predisposed.

Sagitarius is new to me though, interesting.

I wonder about Saj in the 12 house??
Grew up in with a mother with alcohol issues....nasty drinker. Was hit by a drunk driver as well. I do drink socially, but I'm completely against substance abuses, I've seen to much of it and what it does.
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:58 PM
 
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I've had many opportunites to observe many a Saj moon over the years, and it factors heavily into religious fanatics/guru's/preachers, as Saj rules traditional religion, Pisces rules Spirituality, both negative and positive types.

Good grief, I don't have to travel very far from my own family for Saj Moon owners, a brother, a cousin, a brother-in-law, a niece, the biggest proselytizing religious freaks you'd ever want to meet, and it also gives a predisposition to gambling, and isn't religion but a big gamble? My brother-in-law is not only a member of Alcoholics Anonymous but Gamblers Anonymous as well. My niece, learned early on, to stay clear of casino's!

Sheesh! I live in Las Vegas, where one astrologer aptly put it, contains the highest density of strongly flavored Saj types of any city in the world. I live here and am witness to it! Leo positions will do the same, as far as gambling!

I've also met the alcoholic Saj Moon types, (it being a religious experience to them? like the Native Americans drinking to bring them closer to God?) and I neglected to include 9th house positions for that as well.

Recall the 70's, when Neptune was in Saj (15 years) where we were bombarded with born-again religious movements, religious awakening, religious cults (Bob Jones and the Ghuiana mass suicide/massacre) we went from one drug craze of the 60's to another "drug craze"/religion.
Jupiter, until they discovered Neptune, ruled both Pisces and Saj, and there's definitely an affinity between the two, unmistakenly!

Now that we're beginning a long 15 year transit of Neptune in Pisces, this shall be an extremely interesting show to watch! Pisces is the most compassionate sign of the zodiac, and let's pray, during the upcoming years, a tsunami of much-needed compassion arrives on this planet!
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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I'm something of a sort of atypical Capricorn in relation to Tijlover's accounts of Capricorn.
Don't take that to mean I disagree. Everything he has said, I have witnessed.
The only thing I would say about what has been said is the Capricorns nature to be a problem drinker.
It is not the alcohol that is attractive to them like the water signs. It is not in Capricorns nature to be 'out of control' - the predisposition to be drinkers is not the actual target. Capricorns are mostly predispositions to be meloncholic, depressed and internalize. They will seek what ever escape that they can get their hands on. Alcohol is the most abundant and accessible. So it's not the alcohol/drinking for a Capi....they just want to drown out what is bugging them how ever they can.

And it's true, do not **** off a Capi! They will never forget what has been done to them. A Capi is a good person to have on your side. They are resourceful and their take charge nature will get any task done in a timely fashion. They are great to have around in a crisis, so you don't want them to not be your friend.

My atypical Capiness is probably due to the amount of Virgo in my chart, not to mention my Mars in Aquarius does a lot to settle any aggressive energies brewing in my chart placements.
Thus, I am pretty forgiving....however....lol.....for me the saying is not 'forgive and forget'....it's 'I'll forgive, but I'll never forget....and three strikes, you are out!'
And true to Tijlover's account, I do not say anything! I have always been that way and for a long time I thought it was some hereditary cultural thing. My mother told me that in Japan, people do not point out the errors of others, even when it is done to them. It is up to the offender to save face and come clean.
This is sound logic in my book. What good is there in telling someone they have done wrong. For one, most people won't take it to heart when they feel they are beig critizized or attacked. In one ear and out the other. If they seem like they are listening, how much are they going to take to heart and reflect upon it. I think it leaves a bigger impression and -forces- them to think when nothing is said.
I will usually lighten up slightly when I'm approached by an offender asking 'why?'... But they still just get 'you figure it out' from me.
Later I learned that this is a Capricorn trait so either way, genetically or astrological, I'm going to be this way.
But I'm not controlling in a demonstrative sense. I can take control and lead no problem, but my mars placement makes me very diplomatic in my approach.
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:16 PM
 
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Capricorn has long been tagged the wisest sign of the zodiac which I'm forever meditating upon. True or not? Capricorn rules capitalism, and the question is, is it the wisest choice, over socialism/communism?

As far as being direct with offenders, and not being direct, and merely adding their names to one's blacklist, I've weighed those prospects many times, and experimented both ways.

Perhaps it's the wise goat in me that says: Hey! You know the human race better than anyone! How many times have you confronted someone with their insensitivity/behavior, they apologized, you had to confront them once again, and they apologize once again, and didn't click? People don't change!!!

It's been said 50% of our behavorial traits are cast in stone by age 7, and by age 21? And the more Fixed signs?

I don't throw someone onto my blacklist for no reason at all, and I have to be careful, being so egotistical (as most Cardinal signs are) that someone may have bruised my ego and I understand it so well: a bruised ego takes longer to heal than a physical injury!

So if someone got onto my blacklist due to ego bruising, than it's just plain wrong! I shoud be beaten for that!
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Old 04-08-2012, 02:04 PM
 
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Heehee- ego bruising.... Seems like something for the more sensitive signs to act upon. But....
I don't like my ego bruised. When it happens to me, I really take the time to consider what happened.
One of the most profound and overlooked aspect of being human is our feelings.
Overlooked? You say? How can that be? We are always talking about our feelings. When I say overlooked, I mean the source of the feelings we have. We like to say 'you hurt my feelings'....however this is not true. We ALLOW our feeling to be hurt. If someone calls me a name...the big B let's say, I will usually laugh because they are lashing out because they are not getting what they want. Should I feel hurt over that? No... It's not my problem. Most times when my feelings are hurt, it is rooted in disappointment. While I refrain from -expecting- anything from anyone, I do have hopes. I hope my loved ones will remember my birthday. If they dont, sure I'm hurt. But I can't say that they did it... It's a real fuzzy area in human nature. We think, it is their 'fault', they forgot. But really, who is a super human and does everything perfectly? No one....
But to get back to the stars....
The dear Piscians in my life are so sensitive! One friend who has a Gemini husband is always getting her feelings hurt by the wordy guy. He's not a jerk, he faces a lot of stress and that's how it comes out. She knows this. And by that, one would think that she would be more like a duck and let it roll off her back like water. Then there is my mother, oh dear, don't tell her anything that would cause her worry. My middle child is also a Pisces and he's funny when his feeling got hurt as a kid. He'd have a mad face with tears. And his expression was like a light switch, mad face hurt face mad face hurt face. He would not say anything at first, just growl.
My experience with Scorpio, another sign to be wary of when mad, they get ruthless.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:17 AM
 
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I've had many opportunites to observe many a Saj moon over the years, and it factors heavily into religious fanatics/guru's/preachers, as Saj rules traditional religion, Pisces rules Spirituality, both negative and positive types.

Good grief, I don't have to travel very far from my own family for Saj Moon owners, a brother, a cousin, a brother-in-law, a niece, the biggest proselytizing religious freaks you'd ever want to meet, and it also gives a predisposition to gambling, and isn't religion but a big gamble? My brother-in-law is not only a member of Alcoholics Anonymous but Gamblers Anonymous as well. My niece, learned early on, to stay clear of casino's!

Sheesh! I live in Las Vegas, where one astrologer aptly put it, contains the highest density of strongly flavored Saj types of any city in the world. I live here and am witness to it! Leo positions will do the same, as far as gambling!

I've also met the alcoholic Saj Moon types, (it being a religious experience to them? like the Native Americans drinking to bring them closer to God?) and I neglected to include 9th house positions for that as well.

Recall the 70's, when Neptune was in Saj (15 years) where we were bombarded with born-again religious movements, religious awakening, religious cults (Bob Jones and the Ghuiana mass suicide/massacre) we went from one drug craze of the 60's to another "drug craze"/religion.
Jupiter, until they discovered Neptune, ruled both Pisces and Saj, and there's definitely an affinity between the two, unmistakenly!

Now that we're beginning a long 15 year transit of Neptune in Pisces, this shall be an extremely interesting show to watch! Pisces is the most compassionate sign of the zodiac, and let's pray, during the upcoming years, a tsunami of much-needed compassion arrives on this planet!
Hiya, Tij.... and that's an interesting connection you mention re: Sag and gambling. I wonder if it also has anything to do with what I notice is the Sag faith that somehow "the universe will provide"... as it often does for them! So Sag folks "in transition" may flounder around for awhile, waiting for the next big "thang" to "aim for" (like the symbol of their centaurian archer), but when they finally set their mind on a "target", it always amazes me the way they suddenly run into just the right person, job, situation, resources, whatever to enable their goal! I have a brother like that with Jupiter in Sagittarius, who literally goes thru life as though the usual "rules" don't apply to him... and that's because they don't! So heck, if I knew I could avoid having to use my typical earth sign practicality, analysis, and hard work, in favor of simply "imagining" my goals, yeah, I'd probably become quite the "gambler" too!

As to the connection between Pluto in Sagittarius and religious movements, it's also interesting to note that the current conservative phenomenon of "politics as religion" is right in the wake of the recent Pluto in Sag (from 1995 to 2008). And the arguably pre-eminent vehicle for the contemporary conservative point of view is FOX News, which was founded in 1996, by Rupert Murdoch (a Pisces).

BTW, while I agree that we're long overdue for some Piscean "compassion" in the world, living in a state like Cali (with Neptune in Pisces), I can also see firsthand how it can be a bit of a mixed blessing. And let's not forget the notion of "polarities", that every sign is basically a mate to it's latent opposite lurking in the woodwork... which in this case is the ever "discriminating" and "perfectionist" Virgo!

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Old 04-20-2012, 10:53 AM
 
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I know I can say one thing about Cancers though. I think were super hard to identify. I think of Cancers as chameleons of sorts, I know I am for sure. I feel like im adept at going unnoticed. Were good at being complete nobodies (not to say that we cant be exceptional somebodies) and blending in with the crowd. If you as a non-Cancer, can identify us, its because youre keen and attentive enough to spot the one person in a group who seems least remarkable. Its not a good thing or a bad thing.
Weeeird, I'm exactly the same as this, and a smack-dab Cancerian (July 10). I used to feel ashamed of these qualities (even my friends would say sometimes that I'm just ..."there") but since then I've begun using them to my advantage! Anything I tell someone about myself, they usually respond "hmm interesting because you don't strike me as that sort of person.." probably because I don't strike them as anything at all! Altogether, I've decided, it's a good way to be and I'm happy with it now.

So on topic, I'm learning more about this, mostly through personal experiences with others and their signs vs. qualities, and so far I come up with connections. I realize qualities depend on more than the one sun-sign and am still working out the confusion that moon-signs, rising signs, etc. add to the mix, not to mention the Houses! To be an expert in astrology seems to require a LOT of study, something you can't say about too many other forms of "divination" that rely more on people's own perceptions and beliefs rather than just the positions of heavenly bodies, etc. I guess that mathiness of it just keeps me from getting too involved...
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Old 04-20-2012, 01:18 PM
 
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I once participated in something called a natal chart-- printed out for free at a carnival, but with extreme detail considering all I needed was my birthdate, time of birth and location.

I'm one of those bizarre cusp people, sun in Scorpio (Nov. 21), Capricorn rising (not sure what that meant), moon in Scorpio, Mars in Scorpio... something called Venus Sextile Uranus Orb 0.09 (98%), which is just fun to say. As a whole, this chart seems to describe me as a ticking time bomb, it seemed.
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Old 04-20-2012, 06:58 PM
 
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I once participated in something called a natal chart-- printed out for free at a carnival, but with extreme detail considering all I needed was my birthdate, time of birth and location.

I'm one of those bizarre cusp people, sun in Scorpio (Nov. 21), Capricorn rising (not sure what that meant), moon in Scorpio, Mars in Scorpio... something called Venus Sextile Uranus Orb 0.09 (98%), which is just fun to say. As a whole, this chart seems to describe me as a ticking time bomb, it seemed.

Its the triple Scorpio and Capricorn rising (first house). Scorpio ruled by Pluto and Capricorn By Saturn. Capricorns keep word is cautious, Scorpios is intense. I'm an amateur, but I'll give it a go.

Triple placements seem to have different affects, depending on the rising sign and the house they accentuate.

I know 2 people on the cusp of Scorpio. One a Scorpio to a T. The other more Sagitarius. You always take into consideration the entire chart and can never go by the sun sign alone.

I just found out my father had a triple Aquarius, that alone explained a lot about him. A kind man, but most of the time, the lights were on and no one was home. With a Pisces Moon, I quess you can say he traveled mentally.

I know a triple Aries that should in Astrological terms be a ball of fire. Calm, cool and collected and dosesn't waste her energies, although she has more than a normal amount of adversity, she has the ability to turn it off completely, and not a leader. But, extremely self centered, not a giver in any way. It far exceeds what you see with a one placement Aries or Aries sun.

With a Capricorn rising, Scorpio is the theme, with your sun as well as two other planets residing in the 11th house, tho the 11th house is Aquarian in nature or things that exemplify Aquarius.

11th house rules life wishes, friendships, group affiliations, faith, expression thru humanity.

You won't form friendships easily, look for ulterior motives, probably have a couple of close friends and friendships will be intense, and of course the Scorpio jealousy, but probably gravitate to 'power people'. You'll keep your goals and how you carry them out private. A strong belief in a higher power and whats unseen.

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