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Old 03-11-2011, 05:14 AM
 
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I read about different conspiracy theories and believe that alot of them are true. One i was really looking at is the illuminati which is where a small group of evil billioniares plot to control the world and such.I personally believe there is such a thing and wanted to know what others thought, and what other conspiracies do you believe exist.
I don't know if they call themselves Illuminati, but of course there are elite who stive for as much control and power as possible. For example, look at how the international bankers came together to write the Federal Reserve Act for US. They sold it to the US Congress and earned the right to control the currency of world's largest economy, The Unites States. And then the same bunch created the World Bank, the IMF etc to control the international money flows. If you control a nations money supply, you control the country.

Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws - Mater Amschel Rothschild, founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty.

Of course this also means that to control the world's money supply is to control the world.

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Old 03-11-2011, 07:17 AM
 
Location: North America
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I read about different conspiracy theories and believe that alot of them are true. One i was really looking at is the illuminati which is where a small group of evil billioniares plot to control the world and such.I personally believe there is such a thing and wanted to know what others thought, and what other conspiracies do you believe exist.

No, the so-called illuminati died off centuries ago.
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Old 03-11-2011, 07:58 AM
 
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There are those who want to see America taken down, have one new world order, have the middle class weakened considerably, maintain an elite ruling class with devoted government and coporate servants. Are they the Illuminati? Let's hope they aren't as organized, powerful and far reaching as some people claim, but if not then they're darn close.
Read " The Creature Of Jekyll Island" and you'll see how one group can usurp power on a scale almost unimaginable. The Federal Reserve is real enough, aren't they?
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:22 AM
 
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No. I prefer the old incandescent bulbs.
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:14 AM
 
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I believe groups of people with similar interests with the power and money to make the changes they see fit influence powerful governments and political and social controls.
See the Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and the Federal Reserve.

From the real people who run the country

We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:16 AM
 
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Of course I do, I am one.

Govern yourselves accordingly. We are always watching.
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Old 03-11-2011, 09:49 AM
 
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No, the so-called illuminati died off centuries ago.
No, not at all. Adam Weishaupt coined the name for the latest incarnation in 1776, but it was known as the World Council before that, and many others throughout history. They are very much still with us.
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Old 03-11-2011, 10:23 AM
 
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Of course I do, I am one.

Govern yourselves accordingly. We are always watching.

Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

...just saying.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:45 AM
 
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Are they real? Yes.
Should we be fear-mongering about it? No.

I'm the first person to agree that there are conspiracies out there and that people should stop discounting conspiracy theories just because they're labeled as such...but what's the point of dwelling on conspiracies, really? If the illuminati are as powerful as they're made out to be, they'll take over the world and there will be nothing we can do to stop them. If they're not as bad-a** as they're painted, they'll fail and people will have worried for nothing.

There are so many potentially devastating outcomes in life...your spouse cheating, your child getting sick, losing your job, home, etc...worrying about any of these things BEFORE they happen is only giving you LESS time to fully enjoy the here-and-now, you're essentially cheating yourself out of the joy of the moment when you fret about these things. I actually think sometimes the energy put into that fear and paranoia is so intense it helps manifest the dreaded outcome a person desperately wants to avoid.
I agree that fear mongering, and succumbing to such fear is counter productive, and should be avoided. It's a much better proposition to focus one's energies in positive directions and visions. At the same time however, it is foolish to ignore legitimate threats by pretending that they don't exist, and totally self defeating to presume whatever is going on is too big to fight.

By whatever name one chooses to call them, be it the Illuminati, Globalists, or New World Order, they most certainly exist, and have been quite outspoken in recent years, and thoroughly out in the open at this point. To deny their existence is to deny that there is a sun in the sky. Such denial is a declaration of one's own mind numbing ignorance.

Knowledge is power, which is why our mainstream media goes to such lengths to distort and lie and keep important and truthful information from the public's general awareness, as it is that lack of awareness to which these crooks and murderers rely on, and facilitates their successful control over us. By recognizing and understanding their plans, the public, through simple non-compliance could effectively block their efforts in an instant, and it is our duty to ourselves, our family, friends and neighbors to stand up against such criminal conduct.

Their plans for a One World System of financial/banking control of world affairs is well established, firmly in place, and operating as planned. The results are OBVIOUS if one only educates themselves as to the nature of this agenda, and the intended outcomes.

The first step is to totally reject the two most important falsehoods ... 1) that this group doesn't even exist, or 2) they do exist, but there is nothing that can be done, so there is no point in bothering to try to stop them. Both are lies, and only serves to protect them, and facilitate their success.

Come on folks, open your eyes ... we're talking about a few thousand criminal gangsters attempting to control a few Billion people!! And there is NO WAY they can succeed without our compliance and willing participation. DON'T COMPLY ... DON'T PARTICIPATE. We don't need violent revolution, we need consolidated, non-violent civil disobedience.

We've all seen the images of the Nazis .... a dozen Nazis with rifles lining up hundreds of prisoners in front of a large ditch ... instructed to face the ditch and get on their knees. And even though it should be obvious to them what is about to happen next, they inexplicably comply? Why? Paralyzing fear? What were they thinking? Expecting someone else to rescue them at the last second? It's absurd behavior, when all it would take is NON-COMPLIANCE .... 100 prisoners could turn around and overwhelm those 12 guards in an instant!! Sure, maybe a few might get wounded, maybe even killed, but complying with the orders guarantees that ALL OF THEM will get exactly what they fear most.

Here are some important steps that must be taken, and it doesn't require an overwhelming majority .... just a significant minority will suffice. Remember, less than 3% of the population of the Colonists participated in the revolutionary war, and they defeated the most powerful, world dominating force of the times.

1) Turn off the TV, or at least recognize that whatever news is being presented you, it is more likely to be the exact opposite of the truth than anything remotely close to the unvarnished truth.

2) Stop the left versus right, Democrat versus Republican arguing .. it's a display of total ignorance. Neither political party nor any of the candidates offered you represents the best interests of the people, and they have proven that beyond any reasonable doubt. Both sides are fed from the same moneyed interests, and it will be those interests to which their political loyalty will be given, until such time as we demand otherwise. So long as we allow these bribe takers to continue promising one thing and doing the exact opposite, they will continue to do just that. Quit being SUCKERS. Whether it's Bush or Obama, realize that neither give a rats rear end about what is best for you ... only what's best for them, and what's best for them is in direct conflict with what is best for US collectively.

3) Quit being such dolts, falling for the same lies and tactics over and over again, allowing yourselves to be led by the nose like a bunch of naive children. What possible importance could it be to concern yourselves with "Gay Marriage" ... or "Health care Reform" when Millions are losing jobs, homes being foreclosed on, wars are raging, and criminals are looting the treasury? Realize that these social issues have ONE PURPOSE ... to divert your attention away from the real, pressing issues, having you focus on minutia. OK ... you win ... you get State approved Gay Marriage ... and forced health care insurance, and you can even now join the military and wear pink camouflage ... good for you ... cuz that's the only job that will be available, and it won't be a big deal if you lose your homes to foreclosure, because you be in the Middle East getting blown up for your freaking honeymoon, and won't need a home for the next few years anyway. BIG WIN.

4) Realize that what these criminals do with regard to the value of the "dollar" is ALL perception ... the economy is PERCEPTION. Everyone still requires the same things ... food, shelter, clothing ... that doesn't change simply because the LIARS on TV say the economy is collapsing ... that the Dollar is imploding ... that the Arabs are causing oil to skyrocket ... fine, tell the bankers to take their monopoly money and go back to Europe .. we don't need private bankers to provide us with their money ... we can make our own, just like we did when this country was founded, and as it is required by the constitution to do so. Insist that our government "leaders" stop breaking the law, and start behaving lawfully. Let them know that WE ARE IN CHARGE .. not them.

Do all of your business that you can possibly do with your local neighbors. To hell with WalMart ... there is nothing there that you cannot live without. Buy produce and any other food available from the farmers market ... buy only essentials for a little while ... REFUSE to travel and be subjected to physical molestation or xray strip searches for a little while. And if it doesn't say Made in USA ... DON'T BUY IT. They will get the message very quickly, and they will stop poking us in the eye.

5) Treat each other with dignity and respect. Don't allow yourselves to be manipulated into blaming each other and competing for artificially created scarcity, and show these criminals that we can all stick together in tough times ... Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Asians, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists ... whatever you are, and whatever label you choose for yourselves, you are still a human being just like everyone else, and you require the same things as everyone else ... clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, clean food to eat, and we can ensure that all of us have those things through cooperation and sharing. Show these criminal leaders of ours that they have more to fear from us than they do the gangsters for whom they now serve, and things will change very quickly.

6) Understand the tactics of the enemy. It is right there in front of your face. These gangsters are a one trick pony, and it doesn't require anything more than average intelligence to recognize a blatant scheme. These criminals do the same thing over and over again ... from one country to the next. They gain control through flooding the target country with false loans of funny money created from nothing. Then, they take over the real wealth of that country ... the assets, the resources, and slowly move that wealth into their possession, leaving a wake of financial devastation behind. Wealth and resources don't disappear ... these things are stolen. This has been going on around the world for decades, and now it has come full circle, and they are doing the same thing to us here in the USA.

They created this "Global Financial System" in order to implode it, causing a worldwide financial meltdown, so that they can rebuild that system under centralized control.

If you want to understand the game, all you need to do is educate yourself about ONE TERM ... ONE TACTIC .... and that is ... "Order out of chaos", or "Problem-Reaction-Solution". Search those two phrases, and everything you see going on will make perfectly clear sense to you, if you have two brain cells to rub together.

Here's a good place to start educating yourselves ... since self education is the only way to know the truth:

The Roman Emperor Diocletian's Problem-Reaction-Solution in 284 AD:

A further example of how elites throughout history commit acts of terrorism as a pretext to create enemies and corral populations behind a tyrannical agenda


Diocletian's Problem-Reaction-Solution

This was 1700 years ago ... and the same formula has been reused countless times throughout history.

As the famous Nazi propagandist Hermann Goring said:

Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

Questioned about that .... and claiming that in a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars ... Goring responded:

Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

The choice for the American people seems pretty obvious .... educate yourselves, or remain ignorant and suffer the consequences.
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Old 03-11-2011, 02:03 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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GuyNTexas...excellent post, and you make some great points.

I agree wholeheartedly about educating oneself and keeping an open mind even when the theory might sound outrageous...outrageous things have already happened, and outrageous things are happening at this very moment. I also agree that TV is nothing more than a biased tube meant to brainwash people by putting things into their subconscious minds...flicker effect, anyone?
Not participating is the key, as you said. It's not just the news, it's all the stupid shows as well...reality shows? Really? Why does anyone care about the housewives of Orange County, Miami, or New Jersey...why? There's nothing to learn from these women, (except maybe how to avoid looking like an alien by NOT PARTICIPATING in plastic surgery...LOL!) Seriously, people...fill your minds with interesting things, not this meaningless fluff! It is shows like this that perpetuate the ridiculous consumer mentality most people have succumbed to, and paired with all those commercials planting the "I need this" seed in peoples' heads, it is powerful even though it's total fluff. By keeping people wrapped up in this kind of stupidity, the elite are able to carry on with their sinister manipulations, largely unnoticed.

I also agree we need to share information with those who are willing to listen, but this is something we should consider a serious responsibility...there's a fine line between making someone aware of something and scaring the heck out of them. By this, I mean we must make sure we also let people know that they are not powerless in the grander sceme of things, that this one reality we're tuned-into isn't "all there is" to our energetic bodies, and that no matter how powerful a handful of elite beings on this planet might seem, they are NO match for the cosmos, nature or light. In a nutshell, if you bring a fear energy to the surface, it is your responsibility to transmute that energy into something positive...like attracts like, what you put out is what you receive, and if enough people do wake up in the right way (by this I mean they are able to recognize their authentic selves and the connection they have to everything) the amount of positive energy being sent out and perpetuated will squash negativity like the bug it really is. It's is difficult for people to wake up when TV, routine, and fighting amongst themselves keeps them so preoccupied all the time.

"Divide and Conquer" has always worked, and it continues to be the best way to distract everyone from what is really going on in this world. We are all the same race, people...the HUMAN race! Together we can move mountains...separately, maybe a pebble.

The first step is to be aware of what we're putting into our consciousness. We all have that choice.

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There are 3 parts to the video I posted above, but this 3rd section is the most important IMO...I know many of you see this man as a laughingstock, but please try to keep an open mind and just listen to what he has to say if you've never seen this before!
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