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Old 10-26-2018, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Maine
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On Ancient Aliens....
There is your first clue.

ANCIENT ALIENS is to history and science what the NATIONAL ENQUIRER is to journalism or the WWE is to sports. It's great entertainment, but please don't take it seriously.
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Old 10-27-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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ANCIENT ALIENS is to history and science what the NATIONAL ENQUIRER is to journalism or the WWE is to sports. It's great entertainment, but please don't take it seriously.
^^^^ False.


On the contrary, Ancient Aliens (AA) is very informative. Although their programs often have obscure subject matter, they are always well researched and documented. Having done my own research after watching many of their programs, I assure you that there is a wealth of scholarly research backing up everything they put forth.

AA experts research subject matter that wouldn't appeal to typical television viewers--who'd rather zone out on sports, reality TV, fictional crime or political TV shows, etc. When you watch AA, you are being asked to be an active and engaged thinker. The topics of AA shows are not typically covered by the regular media because most people don't want to think outside of the box of what they were taught in school and what the media tells them to believe. Most people don't want to make an effort to investigate for themselves topics that are new to them, and challenging.

Therefore, a program like AA is not likely to be profitable because it is only of interest to a niche audience--so there are very few of those types of programs. That uniqueness makes AA odd and controversial.
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Old 10-27-2018, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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On the contrary, Ancient Aliens (AA) is very informative. Although their programs often have obscure subject matter, they are always well researched and documented. Having done my own research after watching many of their programs, I assure you that there is a wealth of scholarly research backing up everything they put forth.
How many times do they say something like "ancient alien theorists say that ..." in the course of a season without identifying who the "theorists" are? And when they show an interview with an "expert" or "researcher" it's invariably one of the same stable of guys they rely on over and over again - guys with in most cases no claim to any connection with real peer-reviewed "scholarship"?
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Old 10-27-2018, 12:08 PM
 
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How many times do they say something like "ancient alien theorists say that ..." in the course of a season without identifying who the "theorists" are? And when they show an interview with an "expert" or "researcher" it's invariably one of the same stable of guys they rely on over and over again - guys with in most cases no claim to any connection with real peer-reviewed "scholarship"?
AA staff review the works of investigators and scholars, who are the theorists. Those theorists are frequently interviewed on the shows. There are many different theorists, based on the topic of the show. Therefore, you know who many of the theorists are.

Furthermore, if you study the topics yourself, you'll find information from lots of other people (also theorists) who've made careers studying the topics in question. Their studies will not be found in traditional peer-reviewed journals because the subjects are untraditional. These studies may not be in "official" peer-reviewed journals, but their findings are studied by lots of other scholars and theorists who have similar or identical findings.

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Old 10-27-2018, 02:33 PM
 
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I've always found it to be an interesting show...
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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AA staff review the works of investigators and scholars, who are the theorists. Those theorists are frequently interviewed on the shows. There are many different theorists, based on the topic of the show. Therefore, you know who many of the theorists are.
Yes. They are kooks. It's very telling that ANCIENT ALIENS and other shows like it on The History Channel (especially any dealing with ghosts or exorcisms) never bring on respected and peer-reviewed scholars or scientists or theologians. They only bring in the most wack-a-doo nut cases they can find. Those are their "experts."


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Furthermore, if you study the topics yourself, you'll find information from lots of other people (also theorists) who've made careers studying the topics in question.
You keep using "theorist," which is correct enough, I suppose. Anyone can propose a theory. Anyone can cherry pick facts that support their theory (while carefully avoiding those that contradict it). Which brings us to …

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Their studies will not be found in traditional peer-reviewed journals because the subjects are untraditional.
No. It's because they don't stand up to peer-reviewed scrutiny.


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These studies may not be in "official" peer-reviewed journals, but their findings are studied by lots of other scholars and theorists who have similar or identical findings.
In other words, they are only affirmed by "theorists" who agree with the theory, not those who hold it up to actual scrutiny.

I know there is a lot of wiggle room when it comes to things like history and archaeology. There is a lot we still don't know. But any good historian or archaeologist is going to examine ALL the facts at hand to come up with a conclusion, not just those that fit the theory he or she is trying to prove. And the only way you can prove some of the wacky "theories" put forth on ANCIENT ALIENS --- stuff like: humans could never have built the pyramids without alien assistance; the Bible is full of references to UFOs and aliens; extraterrestrials caused the extinction of the dinosaurs --- is to ignore a whole lot of historical and scientific evidence.

ANCIENT ALIENS is great entertainment. That's it. But taking it as serious history or science would be like taking Jack Van Impe seriously as a Bible scholar.
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Old 10-28-2018, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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I've always found it to be an interesting show...
The shows are interesting; but they are shows. They depend on ratings and they play for ratings. They have a vested interest in the products they produce. I think it is a safe assumption to say that humans will lie for money. It does not make the information they provide 'true'. Many times they dismiss the abilities of our ancient ancestors and claim they were not capable of the architecture; but that is speculation since we don't have time machines.

What is good about the program is that it does show videos from areas that many 'exploration' programs have not covered. That part is interesting!
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Old 10-28-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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AA staff review the works of investigators and scholars, who are the theorists. Those theorists are frequently interviewed on the shows. There are many different theorists, based on the topic of the show. Therefore, you know who many of the theorists are.

Furthermore, if you study the topics yourself, you'll find information from lots of other people (also theorists) who've made careers studying the topics in question. Their studies will not be found in traditional peer-reviewed journals because the subjects are untraditional. These studies may not be in "official" peer-reviewed journals, but their findings are studied by lots of other scholars and theorists who have similar or identical findings.
I enjoy the show sometimes as entertainment -- but I haven't seen a lot of information presented on AA that hasn't been covered to death elsewhere. They don't in my experience bring much that's new to the table, so I don't watch them all that often.

It's important when using terms like hypotheses, theories, and laws to understand that they are different things and how they fit into the scientific method. For a very clear explanation of the three, see:

https://futurism.com/hypothesis-theory-or-law/

The show's "theorists" don't have theories - they have a set of unproven hypotheses. Many of the hypotheses are in fact unprovable - which means they're outside the scope of the scientific method.
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Old 10-29-2018, 04:14 AM
 
Location: PRC
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But any good historian or archaeologist is going to examine ALL the facts at hand to come up with a conclusion, not just those that fit the theory he or she is trying to prove.
Like the ones who write the archeology or history books you mean? Archeology is just plain speculation.

History? Well, you must realise that the history as described in history books which our kids are taught is often a load of rubbish compared with the real facts of what actually happened on-the-ground. Ask to see a German history book and then check the 'facts' in a French or British history book. Look at Chinese history books and then check the 'facts' with a Japanese history book. Each side will report the 'facts' from one point of view which is nationalistically biased. Kids from those educational systems will grow up to believe these books and this history. Governments claim lands, islands, etc which they have dubious rights over.

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The show's "theorists" don't have theories - they have a set of unproven hypotheses. Many of the hypotheses are in fact unprovable - which means they're outside the scope of the scientific method.
You may have a problem when you expect history to be scientifically validated and when does history become speculation or just plain old fabrication. Once we acknowledge our kids are being indocrinated with false information, nothing is safe from political and nationalistic biases any more. Unfortunately I guess it is easier to turn a blind eye to it all rather than fight for the reality of it.
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Old 10-29-2018, 04:31 AM
 
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It is not difficult to believe there are other races who live beneath the ground. Many ancient stories from all over the world tell of caves which are entrances to these places. If the civilisation are advanced then it is perfectly possible they can hollow out spaces to live there, create lighting, and cooling systems.

For those who like to mix Inner Earth theories with aliens, there are those such as Corey Goode who say that there are current civilisations who live beneath the ground and were the ones who 'rescued' some of the humans during the period of the flood and helped them rebuild their society.

If you believe the UFO stories of UFOs being able to go beneath the sea without slowing down or reaching fantastic speeds travelling through the water, then it is likely they have the technology which can move matter out of the way in front of their craft and pass through water, land, space. These craft have been seen and reported by military and tracked on radar. Why shouldn't they live out of our sight beneath the sea or within the Earth ?

I have previously posted some images of what could be holes or entrances to these underground/under ice bases in Antarctica and would back up what is reported from Admiral Byrd's expeditions and the military engagement there.
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