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Old 09-10-2021, 06:29 AM
 
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Flat top mesas usually form when a layer of dense rock is deposited (by volcanic or sedimentary action) among softer rock. The soft rock wears away except where it is protected by the dense rock.
There is no doubt that it is a valid geological feature, however, it would have to wear evenly across the whole area which is unusual in Nature. What would cause the even wearing of a mountain-top like the ones I mentioned? The wind would blow unevenly in different direction in different seasons and water would not get up that high. So, maybe you can tell us what would cause weathering or erosion like you suggest.

Further to the temple Enlightened Ones shown previously...Now the Japanese are injecting saline solution into their foreheads to make them Bagelheads. How bizarre, but maybe it has been done before by the ancients and the Japanese have rediscovered the practice?

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Bagelheads have been around for years, but they recently caused international controversy after the body modification technique was featured on National Geographic’s Taboo program. Three people underwent the bagelhead procedure in Tokyo, under the supervision of an expert and the watchful eyes of several body modification enthusiasts. They had large needles inserted into their foreheads through which saline slowly dripped forming a kind of reservoir. When enough saline built up under the skin creating a nice bulge, the body mod master simply pressed his thumb on it to give it that coveted bagel shape. For some reason, every one of the three subjects seemed pretty happy to have a deformed head.
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Old 09-10-2021, 06:38 AM
 
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There is no doubt that it is a valid geological feature, however, it would have to wear evenly across the whole area which is unusual in Nature. What would cause the even wearing of a mountain-top like the ones I mentioned? The wind would blow unevenly in different direction in different seasons and water would not get up that high. So, maybe you can tell us what would cause weathering or erosion like you suggest.

Further to the temple Enlightened Ones shown previously...Now the Japanese are injecting saline solution into their foreheads to make them Bagelheads. How bizarre, but maybe it has been done before by the ancients and the Japanese have rediscovered the practice?

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LOL, the person you quoted explained it in the part of the post you quoted. It does not have to wear evenly. It wears down to the layer of harder material at different rates till all that is left is the hard flat layer. Cool strange shapes are very common in nature.
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Old 09-10-2021, 08:40 AM
 
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They can, yes, but it makes sense to have some kind of 'airport' or landing spot so that goods and services can be concentrated in that one spot. You probably have to have engineers ready to service flying saucers as well as fuelling, storage facilities, or other stuff associated with transport. For example if they are bringing goods from off-world, then you also need a location to meet the craft to pick up your shipment, and passenger facilities.

I have seen some strange flat-topped mountains in these TV programs which appear as if someone has sliced off the peak. OK, so these could be natural but with advanced technology, could be something made for a reason. Mother Earth does not generally make mountains with flat tops when she is having her earthquakes and volcanoes rages.
The Nazca lines in Peru have been found to be ceremonial pathways, similar to "roads" connecting ancient cities in the American Southwest in the Four Corners area of NW New Mexico, NE Arizona and SW Colorado, not UFO landing strips.
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Old 09-16-2021, 12:29 AM
 
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The Nazca lines in Peru have been found to be ceremonial pathways, similar to "roads" connecting ancient cities in the American Southwest in the Four Corners area of NW New Mexico, NE Arizona and SW Colorado, not UFO landing strips.
Found by whom? How or why are ceremonial pathways in the form of huge animals which can only be seen from the sky?
You see, if you applied the critical thinking which we are all supposed to apply, then you would have asked these kind of questions and need these kind of answers. Rather than trotting out orthodox archeology clap-trap.

Anyway...Who said they were landing strips? You are making stuff up again.


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The claim that the eye sockets of Peruvian skulls found in the region of Paracas prove an alien origin is FALSE, based on our research. The eyes are consistent with human features, and the cone shape of the skull is a result of artificial cranial deformation, according to an expert. No credible publication or source has corroborated that these skulls come from extraterrestrial beings
I am unaware of ANY credible publication or source which has said there are ANY extraterrestrial beings yet. So, it is highly unlikely anyone in science is going to say different. This is rather like asking someone to prove a negative - like "It cannot be alien because science has never found any evidence of alien lifeforms existing."

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Old 09-16-2021, 08:16 AM
 
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Found by whom? How or why are ceremonial pathways in the form of huge animals which can only be seen from the sky?
You see, if you applied the critical thinking which we are all supposed to apply, then you would have asked these kind of questions and need these kind of answers. Rather than trotting out orthodox archeology clap-trap.
The ones in animal shapes can be seen from the surrounding hills.
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Anyway...Who said they were landing strips? You are making stuff up again.
Oh? Really? You said.
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They can, yes, but it makes sense to have some kind of 'airport' or landing spot so that goods and services can be concentrated in that one spot. You probably have to have engineers ready to service flying saucers as well as fuelling, storage facilities, or other stuff associated with transport
which I quoted in my response. Not sure why you're not able to follow the conversation.

In any case, the Nazca lines aren't mystery or paranormal. Sorry you don't like the "orthodox archaeology clap-trap.
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Old 09-16-2021, 08:40 PM
 
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I am not able to follow the conversation because you changed it. I said 'spot' not strip. That means I was not suggesting a runway-style Nazca line, but a place where vertical landings take place. So, it is you who change the meaning to make it seem more ridiculous. Go bug someone else.

The Nazca lines can be seen from the surrounding hills probably only if you know where they are and what shape you are supposed to see. IIRC they were only 'discovered' after humans developed flight and when pilots were flying over the area.
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Old 09-29-2021, 08:46 AM
 
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Scholars disagree on exactly how "Nephilim" ought to be translated. The simple fact is: No one knows for sure. "Fallen angels" is only one of many interpretations (and one generally now disregarded by many scholars).
Actually, there is a sorted history over how this traditional view of Genesis 6:2; Jude 6; 2 Peter 2:4; 1 Co 11;10; the Book of Enoch; Jubilees; and the Dead Sea Scrolls was reinterpreted in the 4th century. Before that the "fallen angel" view was standard in both Christian and Jewish worldviews during the 2nd Temple Period (Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Athenagoras, Tertullian, Philo, and Josephus, etc). It was only after Julius Africanus supported the alternate view and that view was then subsequently popularized by Augstine did the angel view fall out of favor. Later the alternative, materialistic view was supported by Luther and Calvin and in the modern era it is often supported due to the materialist worldview progressive Christianity holds to (rather than a supernatural worldview).

There is nothing in the Bible that indicates angels do not have bodies. In fact, Paul references this specifically in 1 Co 15:40. There are many appearances, especially in the OT, where angels have bodies, interact with people and even eat food (it is only our modern limitation on the word spirit that requires it be ethereal). Likewise, Jesus' does the same thing in his resurrected body, and this is the same kind of body humans will have in the resurrection, and Jesus says that "we will be like the angels in heaven."

But, despite the tangibility issue of angelic bodies, according to the angelic view of Genesis 6:2 and especially the Book of Enoch, there would be no fallen angels (or their remains) on earth. They cannot die. In fact, Jude 6 and 2 Peter 2:4 both refer to this account stating that God imprisoned these angels in a place called Tartarus, which is presumed to be a compartment of darkness in the deepest parts of Hades (the underworld of the dead).

Their offspring, on the other hand, the Nephilim, were considered to be angelic/human hybrids. Giants. Mighty Men. Known for their great abilities and strength. There are some horrific accounts about what these beings did. Now, these would be at least partly carbon based, since their mothers were fully human. It is also depicted that they died in the flood of Noah. If they died and they were at least partly human, it would be logical to assume their bodies could remain in the dirt, thus the found skulls in question. Whether these particular skulls are from the Nephilim is anyone's guess. But, if they were Nephilim skulls, wouldn't the DNA register human or partly human? If the angelic view is correct, angel DNA would be similar enough to human DNA to procreate, so it's possible the results would return humanish?

They did not die out in the flood, though, since they appear again later in the OT. There is a lot of speculation as to how this is possible. Some say Noah was a Nephilim. Other accounts state Noah's wife was impregnated by a fallen angel and so one of his sons was a Nephilim. There is also an ancient account of one of the Nephilim surviving the flood by hanging onto the outside of the Ark.

The angelic view is widely supported in academia today while most progressive churches would opt for the materialist view and many conservative churches either reject supernaturalism or maintain an alternative supernaturalism that glosses over the angel view altogether. It has gained in popularity in some circles though in the last few decades. There is also a speculation that the dead Nephilim, since they were an abomination, their souls could not enter the underworld and thus they became what the NT calls "unclean spirits" or "demons." Supporters of this view state this is why demons in the Bible are always depicted as desperate to embody something, anything whether it be people or even pigs. There is no textual link connecting Nephilim to demons that I know of. But it does explain (partly) where these beings came from and why they are actually ethereal. But, the connection made in the Bible between Satan (an actual fallen angel by definition) and demons is unclear since the fallen angel/nephilim story appears to be separate from the Satan and 1/3 of heaven being cast to earth story.

The rejection of the angel view by modern christianity has much more to do with its adoption of a materialist worldview and rejection of the supernaturalist worldview that was held during the 2nd Temple Period (150 BC - 70 AD) and into the early Church (33 AD - 400 AD).

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Old 09-30-2021, 01:32 AM
 
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Their offspring, on the other hand, the Nephilim, were considered to be angelic/human hybrids. Giants. Mighty Men. Known for their great abilities and strength. There are some horrific accounts about what these beings did. Now, these would be at least partly carbon based, since their mothers were fully human. It is also depicted that they died in the flood of Noah. If they died and they were at least partly human, it would be logical to assume their bodies could remain in the dirt, thus the found skulls in question. Whether these particular skulls are from the Nephilim is anyone's guess. But, if they were Nephilim skulls, wouldn't the DNA register human or partly human? If the angelic view is correct, angel DNA would be similar enough to human DNA to procreate, so it's possible the results would return humanish?
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I have a problem (and others should also) with the highlighted part of your post. There is no way a human woman is going to have hips large enough to birth a giant - even a baby one. It would be like birthing an elephant. Doesn't anyone consider the practicalities - another of which is the physical matching of body parts of giants and humans the the creative act. It must have been eye-popping.
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Old 09-30-2021, 06:17 AM
 
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I have a problem (and others should also) with the highlighted part of your post. There is no way a human woman is going to have hips large enough to birth a giant - even a baby one. It would be like birthing an elephant. Doesn't anyone consider the practicalities - another of which is the physical matching of body parts of giants and humans the the creative act. It must have been eye-popping.
The challenge here is in your presupposition of what a "giant" is. It is quite possible the word is not indicating size but strength or superhuman ability (yet later passages do indicate some size differences between nephilim and humans). We simply don't know since there is not enough context provided. IF the interpretation is correct (and it either is or isn't), then obviously the nephilim children were not so giant (in size) that it rendered the women incapable of bringing them to term. Then again, there is nothing mentioned in the text of what happened to the mothers during child-birth. It very well could have been eye-popping. The text claims at least the women were able to survive the "creative act" long enough to give birth. It does not specifically say they survived the actual birthing process.

I personally think angels and humans are very close in DNA to each other (yet remaining distinct "species" but similar enough kinds to interbreed). The Bible says humans were made a "little bit lower than the angels." That would assume at least some closeness in proximity to kind or genetic familiarity. Others who cannot tolerate angelic beings embodied claim the angels only manifest a physical body or use some kind of advanced technology to procreate with humans. That's fine. It's all speculation since there is nothing in the text to indicate this. We are only left with the presumption of the text that the Sons of God came into the daughters of men and had children by them. The text here simply assumes we know how this is done and so extra-human means of completing this process was apparently not necessary.

The same words used in the past that are used today can carry a wide array of meanings and uses. Their "giant" and our "giant" may be very different. We shouldn't read into the text too much of our own ideas of what is or isn't possible. But we should simply take the reading as it is. The angel view was the dominate view before and during the 2nd Temple Period and into the first four hundred years of the Church. It was only discarded because of secularizing pressure. Critics used the angel view to discredt Christians because it was assumed angels were spirits and thus ethereal and incapable of procreating. This is a missapplication of Jesus' "they will not marry, they will be like the angels" statement as well as reading into the text definitions (in this case what a spirit is, or what an angel consists of) without any direction from the text to do so.
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Old 09-30-2021, 11:17 PM
 
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I have a problem (and others should also) with the highlighted part of your post. There is no way a human woman is going to have hips large enough to birth a giant - even a baby one. It would be like birthing an elephant. Doesn't anyone consider the practicalities - another of which is the physical matching of body parts of giants and humans the the creative act. It must have been eye-popping.
I think the fallen angels possessed regular human men and used these bodies to have sex with the women, and some how they passed on their angelic DNA material to the women in the process...the baby was also probably normal size when it was born, but grew large and fast.


Im more interested in WHY this worked in the first place!! (God would have had to authorize such a union producing offspring)...we have tried mating different species and it doesnt work, (no offspring are created), why wasnt this the case with the fallen angels? why did their sexual relations produce offspring in the first place?!!
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