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Old 03-27-2014, 12:49 PM
 
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Here's my take, and I am not a professional. Her mother and grandmother opened the door and she got stuck with the results. Does she talk to her grandmother? Can her grandmother do anything to help?

If not -- she should go to her priest and tell him the whole story -- pretty much like you did here... and if he's not capable of handling it, he can surely find someone to help. She doesn't sound possessed, so an exorcism wouldn't be the way to go here.

Don't discount wiccans either -- they may be able to help, too.
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Old 03-27-2014, 12:54 PM
 
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DON'T BE A TARGET! I know this isn't as easy as it sounds but above all, you (and your wife) need to learn to not be afraid of them. Just as with the grade school bully, once the victim stops acquiescing to the situation and becomes a bad target, the bully will cease his bullying. Eventually, the bad ghosties will give up on "teasing" you and move on when you no longer freak out for their amusement.

Understand it might get worse before it gets better but my belief is that something keeps malevolent entities from truly harming their victims physically. Virtually everything they do is in a roundabout and often cleverly devious but ultimately inefficent way, leading me to believe they are trying "skirt the law" (for lack of a better term) and aren't as powerful as they want their victims to believe.
Sounds like you have been through very similar experiences as my wife. I didn't want to make my post longer then necessary but yes she believes exactly what you stated regarding the spirits following her and her having the affinity to see them. The only addition is that she thinks the fact that her mother practiced Wicca and Santeria is what caused the sprits to be attracted to her in the first place.

Unfortunately, she has been using the ignoring the sprits and not be afraid" method for a long time already. It hasn't helped her. Although I think your right when you said that they can't truly physically harm her. Besides being "held down" in her bed; she has never experienced anything stronger. I thank you for your advice and we will continue to practice the "not being afraid" is case it eases the hauntings.
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Old 03-27-2014, 01:30 PM
 
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Honestly, from my knowledge, it seems like there is a lot of contradictory stuff here. I'm not saying you're making anything up at all, it just contradicts things that I've studied.
Could you elaborate this point? Besides what I'm about to address below; what other things are contradictory? What have you found in your studies.

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I was going to ask if you've ever had an investigation done without your wife present to see if she was the one causing the activity but that sort of thing usually revolves around teenage girls, maybe into their early 20 and then goes away. It is possible for people to be haunted.
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They take this stuff very seriously and try to debunk any hauntings using rational explanations first. Then if they still have some suspicions, they will do a full investigation. They did a full investigation of our house (took 4 hours!) using EVP's, thermal camera's, digital camera's and a medium who is sensitive to paranormal activity. Me and my wife stayed in one room and were quite the entire time. Also she was with me the entire time, so there is no question regarding the fact that she wasn't causing any activity. Also, the EVP recordings were from multiple parts of the house where she wasn't present. So I know FOR SURE that my wife isn't causing any of these events. especially considering the impossibility of her causing the cat incident.

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It seems that the spirit or haunting may be following your wife but yet it stays behind when your wife is gone for a week at a time. That's where the contradiction comes in. It's also possible for objects to be haunted and that's kind of where I'm starting to lean. Is there an object that moved into your house with your wife that may have some spiritual attachment to it? If so, can you experiment by somehow getting rid of it for a period of time and seeing if the activity stops?
I should have elaborated more, but my previous post was already too long. All her siblings started experiencing paranormal activities after her mother practiced sanitaria and Wicca. We have read that once those sprits are attached to a family bloodline because of a close relative practicing the occult; they tend to haunt everyone in the family.

So we are assuming that since her sister was her kin the same sprits also haunted her in the same way even though my wife was not present in the house. Also she doesn't have any suspicious objects we can think of. But she has theorized it may have been her grandmother (the one who still practices sanitaria and voodoo) cursed her and that it may be attached to an object. But we haven't found any object that would fit the definitions of being cursed. Based on your studies, are there certain objects that are likely to have spiritual attachments? Or should we just throw away EVERYTHING she previously owned? (pictures, cloth, shoes, hairband, cell phone etc.)
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:11 PM
 
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Could you elaborate this point? Besides what I'm about to address below; what other things are contradictory? What have you found in your studies.



The investigation was done by a professional paranormal investigating company.

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They take this stuff very seriously and try to debunk any hauntings using rational explanations first. Then if they still have some suspicions, they will do a full investigation. They did a full investigation of our house (took 4 hours!) using EVP's, thermal camera's, digital camera's and a medium who is sensitive to paranormal activity. Me and my wife stayed in one room and were quite the entire time. Also she was with me the entire time, so there is no question regarding the fact that she wasn't causing any activity. Also, the EVP recordings were from multiple parts of the house where she wasn't present. So I know FOR SURE that my wife isn't causing any of these events. especially considering the impossibility of her causing the cat incident.



I should have elaborated more, but my previous post was already too long. All her siblings started experiencing paranormal activities after her mother practiced sanitaria and Wicca. We have read that once those sprits are attached to a family bloodline because of a close relative practicing the occult; they tend to haunt everyone in the family.

So we are assuming that since her sister was her kin the same sprits also haunted her in the same way even though my wife was not present in the house. Also she doesn't have any suspicious objects we can think of. But she has theorized it may have been her grandmother (the one who still practices sanitaria and voodoo) cursed her and that it may be attached to an object. But we haven't found any object that would fit the definitions of being cursed. Based on your studies, are there certain objects that are likely to have spiritual attachments? Or should we just throw away EVERYTHING she previously owned? (pictures, cloth, shoes, hairband, cell phone etc.)
I guess I really don't know much about Santeria but I've not known of any Wiccans that raise spirits. And though free will is a hard and fast rule among Wiccans, every one I've ever known has firmly believed that whatever they do, good or bad, comes back on them threefold. Therefore I don't think any Wiccan would put a "curse" on your wife. However, I don't know Santeria and what that might do. The biggest contradiction was just as I stated, that the activity started when your wife moved in but it doesn't follow her when she leaves. I was thinking along the lines or a poltergeist which should end when your wife isn't in the house.

And this is what I meant by your wife causing it. I didn't mean that she was deliberately setting things up as a hoax. I just meant that some people give off that telekinetic energy that can allow spirits to manifest. That's why I was curious if an investigation was ever done when your wife wasn't present in the house. But as you said, she went away for a week and her sister continued to experience things in the house while she was gone. Usually in my experience if the haunted is attached to someone it will follow her. And if it is her energy allow the spirits to manifest, it shouldn't be happening when she isn't there. So your case is baffling me right now.

Do not throw away anything she previously owned. If this has been something happening all her life and its attached to an object, it would have to be an object that she's had all her life. It seems extremely rare that that would happen but I have read one or two cases of it. If there's anything she knows she's had since these things started happening with her, try putting it in storage for a month or leaving it with a friend or relative and see if the problem goes away. Obviously these are just bits of advice from what you've been posting on here. It's very hard to say for sure what it could be without investigating.

You did say this has been happening to her her whole life, correct? It happened in places she's lived before she lived with you?
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:29 PM
 
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Sounds like you have been through very similar experiences as my wife. I didn't want to make my post longer then necessary but yes she believes exactly what you stated regarding the spirits following her and her having the affinity to see them. The only addition is that she thinks the fact that her mother practiced Wicca and Santeria is what caused the sprits to be attracted to her in the first place.

Unfortunately, she has been using the ignoring the sprits and not be afraid" method for a long time already. It hasn't helped her. Although I think your right when you said that they can't truly physically harm her. Besides being "held down" in her bed; she has never experienced anything stronger. I thank you for your advice and we will continue to practice the "not being afraid" is case it eases the hauntings.
It's not so much ignoring them as is robbing them of their mystery and "magic"... vaguely like when you find out all the tricks behind a magic show and then try to watch it. It's hard to explain... but you are right, simply trying to ignore them will often just make them "scream" louder.
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:35 PM
 
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Usually in my experience if the haunted is attached to someone it will follow her. And if it is her energy allow the spirits to manifest, it shouldn't be happening when she isn't there. So your case is baffling me right now.

Do not throw away anything she previously owned. If this has been something happening all her life and its attached to an object, it would have to be an object that she's had all her life. It seems extremely rare that that would happen but I have read one or two cases of it. If there's anything she knows she's had since these things started happening with her, try putting it in storage for a month or leaving it with a friend or relative and see if the problem goes away. Obviously these are just bits of advice from what you've been posting on here. It's very hard to say for sure what it could be without investigating.

You did say this has been happening to her her whole life, correct? It happened in places she's lived before she lived with you?
From what I read about Wiccans, they aren't don't deliberately conjure bad sprits like someone practicing Santeria or Voodoo. Instead because of their practices they attract all types of sprits.

In regards to the parts in bold, yes this has been happening her whole life and in EVERY house she has lived in. Also what's really interesting is that her experience in EVERY house has been COMPLETELY different. Now there have been some similarities like shadow's and certain noises she's heard, but all in all in each place she has had a different experience. So it almost seems as if its not the same sprits following her. Unless these sprits are deliberately changing up what they do in each house.

For example, in my house see has experienced: Dark shadows rushing her, dark shadowy hands, Arabic looking man and women appearing in the house, dishes settling in a unusual manner, something mimicking our cats meow, something mimicking my voice and calling out to her when I'm not home.

In another house she has seen: Dark shadow in the form of a man, books falling off shelves, knocking on her bedroom door and everyone in the house told her it wasn't them but they heard the knocking too, white man standing outside in the patio, same man looking into the house through the window, malicious whispering in her ears.

So as you said the case is very unique. Also I don't know if you read it, but the experience's I just described from the other house, was her best friends house. The parts in Italics are things that her best friend and mother have also seen.
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:34 PM
 
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OP, wow, really sorry to read about your trouble. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I would definitely go to a priest for help.
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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Wow frankly I'm quite offended by your post. I did not give any indicator that would even hint that she has any mental issues. So I'm very surprised that your so sure in your assumption of mental illness. We are both extremely rational and tried to debunk the activities in a scientific manner before coming to the conclusion that they were paranormal. Please read the next section and you will understand that it has nothing to do with mental illness



Here is the long version. My wife's mother used to practice Wicca and Santeria back when my wife was young. Her grandmother is also into this practice (to this day). Because of those practices spirits and paranormal activities were always in their house. My wife is fully Catholic (her mother eventually stopped practicing and converted to Catholicism). However, the haunting of their dwellings NEVER stopped no matter where they moved. I guess once you open that door its hard to close it.

My wife eventually moved away from her parents. Yet, these spirits kept following her. Mind you, she isn't the only one who saw them. If that was the case I would have strongly considered the mental illness as a possibility. Her roommates saw and heard what she saw. She stayed with her best friends family for a one and a half years. Her best friend and the mother saw and heard everything she saw multiple times. Whats interesting is that the spirits/haunting she sees are NOT the same in every house. Meaning she has seen different spirits/had different experiences in every place.

How do we know that these haunting are bad? Its because they are the classic examples of paranormal activities from bad sprites. She has experienced (in all the different places she has lived): Being held down, dark shadows rushing her, random human figures standing around in the house, random animal figures, footsteps when no ones is home, malicious whispering in her ear etc. She won't even tell me about some of the things she has experienced because its so bad.

Now saying all that, all of the above still can be refuted. So let's move on to the specifics regarding my house which has enough deviance to prove that this is indeed paranormal activity. First of all, I have personally NEVER EVER had any paranormal experience before. Second, there has NEVER been anything even remotely suspicious happening in my house before she moved in. After she moved in she started to have paranormal experiences in my house. She tried to ignore them and even tried to find rational reasons why they are happening.

But after a while we decided to contact one of the paranormal investigation groups in our area. First, they came out to look at the house and find some scientific reasons why they think we may be experiencing the activity. However, once they did a 4 hour extensive investigation of our house using their equipment, they confirmed that our house had signs of paranormal activity. They were able to capture sprites responding to their questions on tape. Also, keep in mind that these groups DO NOT CHARGE ANYONE for their services. So therefore, there is no reason for them to make any of this up. Also they didn't have any idea which areas of the house had the most activity because my wife wanted to make sure that they were legitimate. Yet, in their findings they specifically mentioned EVERY area where my wife had her experiences.

Eventually I started having some experiences. There were several times at night, when I was sleeping I was "held down" by a force but since I'm religious I automatically said my prayers when this happened and I was released. Even with those experiences I had my doubts, because I think I was deep in my sleep so I assumed that they were just bad dreams. But it was very suspicious that I had the EXACT same dream every time.

I have saved the two most compelling pieces of evidence for last. First, we went on a one week vacation just recently. We asked my wife's sister to stay over to take care of our cat. We didn't mention ANYTHING regarding the paranormal things in our house because we didn't want to scare her. Plus we didn't think it would happen to her. When we came back from vacation she mentioned to us "hey I think there is something in your house." And then she described things that were EXACTLY what my wife experienced. This fact alone proves that this is indeed a haunting and not explainable using science.

The final piece of evidence I have occurred about a month ago to me. I was tossing and turning in bed. This time I was FULLY AWARE that I was awake. All of a sudden I felt our cat walking over me, I felt her paws. I IMMEDIATELY knew that this was paranormal activity. Because our cat LOVES to meow when either one of us sleeps and the cat is in the room. So we always lock her up in the downstairs area. And I KNEW for sure that the cat wasn't in the room (we also keep our bedroom door locked).

Now this occurred around 8pm. So my wife was downstairs awake with the cat. Even though I knew that it must have been a spirit walking over me, just to be 100% sure I went downstairs to check. Remember my bedroom door was LOCKED. I unlocked the door went downstairs and sure enough the cat was downstairs with my wife on her lap. She even confirmed that the cat was sitting on her lap for over an hour. So after this there was absolutely no denying that there are spirits in our house.

So based on the full details, if anyone has anymore additional advice, I would highly appreciate it.
I don't think you are feeling anything paranormal. The feeling of being held down while you are asleep is a pretty common occurrence. I've had it happen to me more than once. I've also felt like there was a force pushing up from under my pillow. Feelings of being pulled, jerked, yanked, etc... I think those sensations come from being aware of the body going through different stages before actual sleep. Now if you are fully awake, standing, and you have a paranormal event, that is a different story.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:11 PM
 
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So based on the full details, if anyone has anymore additional advice, I would highly appreciate it.
Something has attached itself your wife. Her family who were practicing wiccans opened that door and it has to be shut.

Read this. There are other articles about this, but this one I think is the better.
How to protect your home and break curses!

Hope things improve soon.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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Yep the Catholic Church are your go-to exorcism team.
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