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Old 11-14-2014, 10:58 PM
 
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She did. And honestly there are so many accounts of such that I'm puzzled why folks continue to resist the notion.
It sounds like an awfully brief NDE for someone who was out for 45 minutes. I wonder if there's more to her story.
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Old 11-18-2014, 02:37 PM
 
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A hospital spokesman said: 'She essentially spontaneously resuscitated when we were about to call the time of death. Today she is the picture of health.'
Doctors had no immediate explanation for her survival. The spokesman called it 'divine providence.'
That's pretty crazy.
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Old 11-19-2014, 02:25 AM
 
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Actually not that "crazy" at all. Merely an unknown.

During resuscitation of patients we never have understood quite how the body restarts itself. So all our guesses on how long to keep trying, when to call time, when to give up, what actually happens when the patient revives or not, are all based on previous cases, previous data, and previous examples. We have a _lot_ more to learn.

It is therefore quite common for people to revive JUST as we are about to give up, or a few seconds after.

Basically when reviving a patient we are pumping them with all kinds of impulses. Electrical, physical, chemical. And our hope is that all the necessary things will suddenly "align" to get the starting motor to kick back in. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it does not. And there is no hard and fast rule on how and when it can happen during that period.

The literature is replete with cases of the doctors calling time, and a couple of seconds later the monitors start to bleep again.

It is humbling to be confronted with our medical ignorance despite all our advances, but I would not read too much into it either.
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Old 11-19-2014, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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Anything Divine is 'pretty crazy' to the everyday mind. It is.

Of course, I now think it is 'pretty crazy' not to seek and accept
the Divine with open arms.
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Old 11-19-2014, 03:25 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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It is therefore quite common for people to revive JUST as we are about to give up, or a few seconds after.
This is really interesting. So, no matter how long docs/nurses decide to keep working, or to give up, somehow, magically, that is the moment just prior to the miracle of life re-started happening. Though there are probably as many, maybe more, lives that never restart, that we don't hear about on a thread like this. And there are the rare cases where someone's given up for dead, then an hour later in the morgue, suddenly they revive.

There's so much more to life (and death) than meets the eye. Fascinating.

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Old 11-19-2014, 03:56 PM
 
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She was on life support.After a period of time they did not expect heart to restart.
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Old 11-24-2014, 05:00 AM
 
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This is really interesting. So, no matter how long docs/nurses decide to keep working, or to give up, somehow, magically, that is the moment just prior to the miracle of life re-started happening.
Not seeing anything "miraculous" about it. It is just a statistical continuum, nothing more exciting than that. Some of our resuscitation techniques work quickly, some not at all. Sometime it takes time. Sometimes the revival happens when we are doing it, sometime just as we stop, and sometimes a couple of seconds after we stop.

It is nothing more than a statistical deviation graph around a norm, and I see nothing miraculous or moving about it. Do you? If so what?

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Though there are probably as many, maybe more, lives that never restart, that we don't hear about on a thread like this.
Agreed. Alas that is probably the single biggest issue on just about every thread on the subject of the paranormal or the supernatural. We only ever hear anecdote of cases that stand out in the mind of the person telling the anecdote. We do not get to normalize the anecdote against the background of the sea of noise from where it comes. And such things perhaps do not register on the minds of the people telling the anecdote either.

The most common example I know of is people reporting thinking "Person X has not phoned me in months" and suddenly in that moment the phone does ring and it is person X. And of course this pops out as amazing in the mind of the person telling you the anecdote. What we do not know, and perhaps the person does not even know themselves, is how many times such thoughts do pop into the head and the phone did not ring, or it did ring and it was not that person, or that person did contact but weeks later.... and so on and so on.

We are a pattern seeking animal and we have a tendency to over implicate statistical anomaly and simply ignore or entirely the statistically normal background it comes against.

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And there are the rare cases where someone's given up for dead, then an hour later in the morgue, suddenly they revive.
That is indeed statistically HIGHLY rare. And for good reason. Dead really does usually mean dead. What few (and there are few) cases there are of this are often explained by chemicals and things that slow down the metabolism to the point they appear "dead" to the sensitivity of the instruments and techniques we currently use to evaluate this.

The issue on threads like this of course however is that someone will of course be able to find an anecdotal case where something like this happened and we simply do not know why. And areas of lack of explanation are like excrement to flies for the kind of people who revel in inserting fantastical explanation in our gaps of knowledge. I call them the "We can not explain it, therefore we can explain it" crowd.
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Old 11-30-2014, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I saw the aftermath first hand where I worked. The patient was pronounced dead and the ventilator had been removed from the room. The patient came back after about 20 minutes and was placed back on life support for a few more weeks. He wasn't there anymore and finally died after looking like he died months ago. It was pretty sad and don't even think about the smell. It was an awful experience especially for the family.
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