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The study of astrology takes years and is much too complex to explain in a public forum.
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Originally Posted by OwlKaMyst
That information would fill a 400 page book.
Adumbrate the basics for me. There are several subjects from evolution to the nature of black holes that can, and does, fill multiple books of 100s of pages each. Yet one can still adumbrate the kinds of evidence and support that exists for the subject, and the nature of that evidence.
As far as astrological signs and personal traits, I would say absolutely yes.
I believe that at an atomic level, we are -- all of us -- and our surroundings -- from our bodies to our hamburgers to our widescreen TVs to our cars and homes to the planet and the surrounding solar systems -- made up ultimately of ENERGY. And we are inter-connected to everyone and everything. And the energy, therefore, is constantly changing in ebbs and flows with every movement.
Therefore, would it be too much of a leap to suggest that an infant, born under a particular zodiac sign, on a particular day of the year, when the sun was here and the moon was there, and Saturn was wherever, that the positions of those heavenly bodies -- and the resulting ebb and flow of their energies -- could have had a profound effect on that fetus during its development during those particular months of the year?
You would have to first suggest and then evidence a mechanism of influence between energy in one location and energy in another location. One such effect we know of, for example, is gravity. This is where energy manifesting as mass, influences with a measurable force other manifestations of mass.
What we know of gravity however is that the influence of one mass on another reduces with not just distance, but the square of the distance between those masses. And hence the influence of even a planet in our own solar system as a force is minute, let alone the influence of planets or suns outside that space.
Second, were you to suggest and evidence the existence of some form of energy influence, you would then have to suggest and evidence how mere influence has a specific effect, for example on the development of human personality. It would not be enough to say X influences Y if in fact the claim being made is specifically X influences Y with effect Z. So even showing an X-Y link does not warrant a simple assumptive jump to Z.
This would be like me claiming that a force on a car changes the direction of the car.... and then simply declaring that this also changes how the internal operations of the combustion proceed. It is a massive leap to show an influence of X on Y.... to then simply declaring a seemingly unconnected effect Z.
So you ask is it a leap? Yes I think it is. A large one, for many reasons, the main two of which I have laid out above.
For a more in depth, but not near complete report of your natal chart, go to astro.com.
Enter your birth info and find the personality report. They also have other types of reports like relationships, composite, etc.
These reports are based on the whole chart, not just your sun sign.
Astro.com is owned by a Swiss Company (Astrodienst) which was founded by astrologer Alois Treindle.
The company's claim to fame is that "... it is the most accurate astrological program to date."
The program is based on computer input supplied by another astrologer; Lois Rodden. Her Rodden Rating System is the boiler plate system of analysis for modern day astrologers.
Alois Treindle has since partnered with another astrologer; Liz Green (yes, the same Liz Greene who is still trying to figure out when and how she received her Phd. in Psychology or was it History)? Read her "unauthorized biography" if you get a chance; very entertaining.
According to fellow astrologer; Michael McDonald; Book of Life.org (2011) "...most of his (Treindl); entries on historical biographies comes from bias, spotted, and outright propagandic entries. McDonald further postulates "...Astrodienst is not about the astrological community but a cash call for Treindl."
It seems that Astro-com and Astrodienst are further examples of cold reading and the Barnum Effect.. A computer program is nothing more than the material you throw (input) into it.
"garbage in-garbage out"
Read the last column and a half of the last page of the article I linked. The methodology used n the experiment was developed and approved with input from astrologers ... And it demonstrated that natal charts were no better than chance at predicting personality traits. In short, natal charts appear to have as much reliability and validity as reading the entrails of chickens.
In Astrology we would expect that the proportion of successful "hits" to be greater than pure chance. To date a total of 54 studies (examples upon request( (and still counting) has demonstrated through the examination of 742 astrologers and their 1407 birth charts the average success rate was no different than expected by chance. (about 10%-15%).
I am not sure how this correlates with the "chicken entrail" prognostications.
Read the last column and a half of the last page of the article I linked. The methodology used n the experiment was developed and approved with input from astrologers ... And it demonstrated that natal charts were no better than chance at predicting personality traits. In short, natal charts appear to have as much reliability and validity as reading the entrails of chickens.
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Originally Posted by oberon_1
Astrology is great!
The problem is not with astrology, but with astrologers: they don't know what they are talking about!
Most astrologers are just like gossip columnists. Unless you sit down with a real one that will plot your charts accurately and give you some real insights.
No, but I do believe that being born at a certain time of year is likely to lead to certain attitudes and behavior patterns later in life. It has more to do with climate and its effect on parents and surroundings, though.
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Maybe you should reread my previous post.
