U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Covid-19 Information Page
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Unexplained Mysteries and Paranormal
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
 
Old 06-24-2015, 10:33 PM
 
Location: PRC
4,528 posts, read 4,017,523 times
Reputation: 4035

Advertisements

My friend and I are currently testing a simple "ghost hunting" communication device. It makes use of the fact that some ghosts can apparently use energy to move things or make knocks etc. These are the ones which are more likely to be 'troublesome' and have some kind of an impact on our lives. So I thought, why not make use of this ability to move stuff around on their own, and develop a real communication device which uses electronics as little as possible.

Skeptics can claim electronic devices can be fooled by stray radiation, vibrations, wind, water, dry joints, etc, so I am trying to move towatds a more natural basic solution which perhaps is less likely to receive other influences and would hopefully provide more definite 'proof' that something paranormal was happening.

Some of the ghosties do seem to want to communicate but many, not all, of the devices out there are just for detecting (although they can be used for communication too). It is almost as if communication is an after-thought and detection is the main issue. I feel that this is the wrong way around. The Spirit Box and similar devices do go some way towards communication with spirits, but I feel that we should be using their own 'voices' rather than electronically induced or generated ones. EVPs are often only single words.

In the old days, spiritual mediums had what whas known as a 'tumpet' which was supposedly used by the spirit to speak through as a form of megaphone to make their voices louder so the sitters could hear 'Uncle Jack' speaking from beyond...

I just wonder if these ghostly entities are really 'trapped' on this earth or whether they choose to be here? Whether they can move on if they want to or whether they need help realising they are not still in-body. Many of the ones we hear about have intelligence, so I also wonder if we are just tapping into a permanent residence rather than beings who are stuck?

As far as I am aware, the spiritualist opinion is that most entities are permanently placed somewhere and only a relatively few need help in moving on. (Wikipedia - rescue circles)

So, what ideas do you have about this and what can we try or what devices can we make to make communication better between us and 'the other side'?
Rate this post positively Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-24-2015, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Under the Redwoods
3,751 posts, read 6,735,383 times
Reputation: 6078
I assume that you want to stay away from any sort of spirit board, so anything with an alphabet is out?
Are you wanting an independent device, or one that requires a human?
Rate this post positively Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-24-2015, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
2,914 posts, read 2,086,573 times
Reputation: 9626
Default !

Quote:
Originally Posted by ocpaul20 View Post
I just wonder if these ghostly entities are really 'trapped' on this earth or whether they choose to be here? Whether they can move on if they want to or whether they need help realising they are not still in-body. Many of the ones we hear about have intelligence, so I also wonder if we are just tapping into a permanent residence rather than beings who are stuck?

As far as I am aware, the spiritualist opinion is that most entities are permanently placed somewhere and only a relatively few need help in moving on. (Wikipedia - rescue circles)

So, what ideas do you have about this and what can we try or what devices can we make to make communication better between us and 'the other side'?
As a mental medium and a psychopomp, my personal opinion from my own experience is that there are several types of energies that can hang around. One type is the earthbound spirit. Some of them know their bodies have died and some don't. There are a lot of both types around. There are various reasons why they didn't cross over to the other side. Someone like me can help them to (or make them if they are adversarial) cross over. I have done this many, many times.

Another type of energy is the energetic residue from some traumatic event. This is where an event just gets played over and over like a recording. I feel that there is little to no actual intelligence behind this type of trapped energy.

IMO, if you really want to communicate with spirits who have crossed over and with those who are earthbound, take some courses in mediumship and learn to hear them (and possibly to see them) and to talk to them. Any other means of communication is time consuming for what you are likely to get, and prone to misunderstandings. Also, I imagine you are aware that when spirits use energy to make things move, etc., they are using whatever energy they can obtain most easily, which (unless as some ghosthunters do, you provide a source of electrical energy for them to use) usually ends up being the energy from the nearest humans or pets. This can be extremely tiring, and in extreme cases, can lead to physical depletion and eventually illness.

(And for anyone who thinks you can just yell, "Go to the light!" and a spirit will obediently and instantly cross over, that is poppycock. There are many reasons why a spirit doesn't want to cross over, and it can take some time and back and forth conversation, and sometimes more than that, to get them to cross over.)
Rate this post positively Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-25-2015, 02:09 AM
 
Location: PRC
4,528 posts, read 4,017,523 times
Reputation: 4035
I was not thinking of humans driving the device, so NOT like ouija boards. I do not think that would be wise since many different types of people go ghost hunting from novices to experts.

Since I had to look this up, I guess others wont know it either:
Wikipedia -
Quote:
Psychopomps are creatures, spirits, angels, or deities in many religions whose responsibility is to escort newly deceased souls from Earth to the afterlife. Their role is not to judge the deceased, but simply to provide safe passage.
At this stage of our evolution, not many people really know what happens at death and I think that anything we can do which will open up that area of investigation and allow folks to learn what happens, will mean that there is less fear around dying.

Historically, religions have been the source of all this kind of information but they really know nothing about it other than what they have learned from their sacred books. Currently it is the greatest source of control used by orthodox religions (eg: the Catholic faith has excommunication and for others baptism, and funerial ceremonies plus othe only way to Heaven is through their saviour). Opening up this information would release this hold and allow people to follow the religion they felt most comfortable with, without a threat of Heaven/Hell/Life Everlasting hanging over them.

I realise there are people who claim they are in touch with the other side already but we should probably not believe them as this leads to control and opens up the possibility for deception. As said above by irootoo, it is much better to learn to communicate for yourself but unfortunately many people cannot do this consciously and a device if we can develop one, would take the medium or priest out of the pathway.
Rate this post positively Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2015, 05:58 PM
 
Location: occupied east coast
952 posts, read 2,149,121 times
Reputation: 2191
Don't ask why... but, I have given this some thought.

My idea....

A small pan of water with a small piece of Styrofoam or similar.

If a spirit has ANY ability to interact with it's environment, it should be easily moved.

If successful, perhaps it would be possible to establish a direction for "yes...no" or other easily answered questions.

BTW, the cost would be close to zero.
Rate this post positively Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2015, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Under the Redwoods
3,751 posts, read 6,735,383 times
Reputation: 6078
Quote:
Originally Posted by banger View Post
Don't ask why... but, I have given this some thought.

My idea....

A small pan of water with a small piece of Styrofoam or similar.

If a spirit has ANY ability to interact with it's environment, it should be easily moved.

If successful, perhaps it would be possible to establish a direction for "yes...no" or other easily answered questions.

BTW, the cost would be close to zero.
I think there are to many external environmental factors that could cause movement for such a set up that it would be difficult to prove actual spirit influence.

The environmental factors, physics, is the biggest hurdle as well as human influence in developing a device that works for this purpose and would be convincing.

I have used tarot cards to connect with a ghost in my house as well as a passed over loved one. But with that, one could say, just coincidence, not way to confirm, etc.
for those that believe, it is easy to see an event as communication so we are more open to using 'lesser' tools.

I think something in the electronics area is probably the way to go.
a) Spirits have already been known to flicker lights, do things with radios, use the telephone and so on.
b) Everything is energy, so a spirit should have no trouble influencing energy (see a.)
c) it is not driven by humans and is a more controlled and independently functioning device.

I would start by making some sort of light board. Several specifically arranged lights, or quite simple, a single light. Have a reset button so if the light goes out, it can be turned back on. Not an actual off and on switch, as there probably is a way to make the device plug in and the light is just on. I don't know enough about circut board building to create something like that. But I know enough to think about what might work. Such as, consider the old land line phone. What makes a phone ring when a call come in is not a current sent to make the phone ring. What actually makes it ring is a break in that current...no current at all. I am not certain, but I also think that part of the phone system is negative 48v DC.
Perhaps those random phone rings from passed on loved ones was due to thier breaking the current.

So, mechanically, consider your device to be electronic, I would go DC current, and maybe even negative voltage. Have a bell or light to indicate a fluctuation in the current.
Rate this post positively Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-29-2015, 03:59 AM
 
Location: PRC
4,528 posts, read 4,017,523 times
Reputation: 4035
I like the idea of styrofoam, something which can be moved about easily but without humans being there. However, as OwlKaMyst said, a little gust of wind and it would sail across the water, maybe too easy to be influenced by other things - other than ghosts.

The voltage on the line being interrupted is an interesting one too but I do not know how that would work if the ghosts draw energy from batteries etc. It would indicate that something was drawing energy but there would be no energy left to light the lamp to indicate to the ghost hunters that the energy had been lost.

It would need both mechanical and electrical components so that when the energy was removed, the mechanical part came into play and indicated that the ghost had sucked the energy away. How do you reset it or make it a multi-operational device though? What has been described would be a one-shot device maybe ringing a mechanical wind-up bell if the power went dead? Unless... we could use a wind-up spring to reset it after it had tripped?
Rate this post positively Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-29-2015, 11:19 AM
 
Location: occupied east coast
952 posts, read 2,149,121 times
Reputation: 2191
At the risk of defending my Styrofoam/water idea too vigorously...

The idea of environmental movement is valid.

This is where the investigator comes into play, along with control questions.

Think...Are you able to move the foam to the left...Good, now how about the right. How about up and down".

If a piece moves to the right and remains, it is likely environmental.

If, on the other hand, the spirit follows direction...

Let's just say that is another story.

But, in the end, who knows if it can even work.

My idea, is simply predicated on the ease of setup and minimal cost.
Rate this post positively Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-29-2015, 06:26 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
16,081 posts, read 25,582,210 times
Reputation: 18077
Quote:
Originally Posted by banger View Post
Don't ask why... but, I have given this some thought.

My idea....

A small pan of water with a small piece of Styrofoam or similar.

If a spirit has ANY ability to interact with it's environment, it should be easily moved.

If successful, perhaps it would be possible to establish a direction for "yes...no" or other easily answered questions.

BTW, the cost would be close to zero.
Not all spirits have the ability to apport ( move objects). For yes and no answers, some paranormal investigstors use simple flash lights.
Rate this post positively Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-30-2015, 09:33 AM
 
Location: PRC
4,528 posts, read 4,017,523 times
Reputation: 4035
When I was a spiritualist, apports were things which suddenly appeared out of thin air in front of you. I never had one appear in front of me, but I have seen a guy produce long stalked (4-5 inch) carnations from his mouth in a seance. Fake or real? I dont know but it was a good trick either
way.
Rate this post positively Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


 
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:
Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Unexplained Mysteries and Paranormal

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2021, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top