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Old 09-18-2016, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Where are you seeing eyes?
Actually, a single eye just to the right of the "muzzle" - not sure if it's an eye, the lighting, or what.
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Old 09-18-2016, 01:20 PM
 
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Most convincing picture of the Loch Ness monster ever taken? - The Scotsman

The head looks like a seal to me, but the eyes seem odd. Maybe three seals playing in a line in the loch. it doesn't look fake or photoshopped. If it's a single animal and not just three seals in a row, I'd say it's either an unknown pinnepid, or an unknown cetacean. That's not a reptile or fish in the photo (both of these have been suggested as explanations for the loch ness monster, I believe).

I would hesitate to say what it is from such a small and distant photo. The skin looks mottled, as though it may be a fish, or fishes. Seals can look shiny, but I don't know enough species to name one that has mottoed skin. Otters in a row? Again, the skin.

Is there any feature in particular making you say it doesn't look fake or photoshopped?
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Old 09-18-2016, 02:22 PM
 
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I would hesitate to say what it is from such a small and distant photo. The skin looks mottled, as though it may be a fish, or fishes. Seals can look shiny, but I don't know enough species to name one that has mottoed skin. Otters in a row? Again, the skin.
Harbor seals can have mottled fur.

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Is there any feature in particular making you say it doesn't look fake or photoshopped?
Looking closer at it, I have to say I'm leaning toward fake. The head at the left is a seal, but if you look at the coloration of the two "humps" to the right, they don't look at all the same. Plus, if you look closely at the rightmost hump, it looks like it could be a flexed tube made out of rubber or some similar substance that bulges more in the middle than on the ends; in this shot, I've indicated what appear to be two seams in the material with red arrows.

https://flic.kr/p/LUZ1z9

There's nothing in the image (like artifacts or differences in focus/resoution) that I can see that screams Photoshop, and compositing photos of some kind of tube with a seal along with the realistic splashes would be artful work.
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Old 09-18-2016, 03:21 PM
 
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Harbor seals can have mottled fur.



Looking closer at it, I have to say I'm leaning toward fake. The head at the left is a seal, but if you look at the coloration of the two "humps" to the right, they don't look at all the same. Plus, if you look closely at the rightmost hump, it looks like it could be a flexed tube made out of rubber or some similar substance that bulges more in the middle than on the ends; in this shot, I've indicated what appear to be two seams in the material with red arrows.

https://flic.kr/p/LUZ1z9

There's nothing in the image (like artifacts or differences in focus/resoution) that I can see that screams Photoshop, and compositing photos of some kind of tube with a seal along with the realistic splashes would be artful work.

Thanks; that's interesting. I have a soft spot for 'Nessie' and kind of wish she was real. Wonder whether harbor seals inhabit Loch Ness?
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Old 09-18-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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Thanks; that's interesting. I have a soft spot for 'Nessie' and kind of wish she was real. Wonder whether harbor seals inhabit Loch Ness?
Back in the mid 1970s I was a grad student in environmental sciences, with a focus on terrestrial ecology. A fellow grad student and I came up with a bright idea of doing an ecological study of the Loch Ness ecosystem to see if it could support a population of large predators. It would be an opportunity to do some interesting work in the field. And drink a lot of very good scotch.

We took the idea to a prominent professor of ecology (since deceased) and ran our idea by him. He didn't think we'd be able to get funding for a drinking trip -- ah, er, research trip -- like that, but he turned to one of his file cabinets and showed us his extensive collection of material on sasquatch: photos, articles, interviews, maps. He suggested an ecological study of the Pacific Northwest would be more likely to get funding -- and revealed that he was one of those who believed there might be something to the sasquatch stories.

But Nessie -- a creature of romance in a land of legend. I think she got a lot of us interested in cryptozoology back in the day.
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Old 09-18-2016, 05:59 PM
 
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Back in the mid 1970s I was a grad student in environmental sciences, with a focus on terrestrial ecology. A fellow grad student and I came up with a bright idea of doing an ecological study of the Loch Ness ecosystem to see if it could support a population of large predators. It would be an opportunity to do some interesting work in the field. And drink a lot of very good scotch.

We took the idea to a prominent professor of ecology (since deceased) and ran our idea by him. He didn't think we'd be able to get funding for a drinking trip -- ah, er, research trip -- like that, but he turned to one of his file cabinets and showed us his extensive collection of material on sasquatch: photos, articles, interviews, maps. He suggested an ecological study of the Pacific Northwest would be more likely to get funding -- and revealed that he was one of those who believed there might be something to the sasquatch stories.

But Nessie -- a creature of romance in a land of legend. I think she got a lot of us interested in cryptozoology back in the day.

Is that what it's called? I remember my excitement when the Coelacanth was discovered, and still treasure my ancient, battered copy of On The Track of Unknown Animals.

Too bad about the Scotch...I mean, research.
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Old 09-18-2016, 08:27 PM
 
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Is that what it's called? I remember my excitement when the Coelacanth was discovered, and still treasure my ancient, battered copy of On The Track of Unknown Animals.

Too bad about the Scotch...I mean, research.
I read Heuvelmans back in the 1960s and it's what started my interest in cryptids, along with Ivan Sanderson's book on the Abominable Snowman. Heuvelmans attributed the coining of the term "cryptozoology" to Sanderson, don't know if that's the case or not
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Old 09-19-2016, 07:27 AM
 
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I read Heuvelmans back in the 1960s and it's what started my interest in cryptids, along with Ivan Sanderson's book on the Abominable Snowman. Heuvelmans attributed the coining of the term "cryptozoology" to Sanderson, don't know if that's the case or not
Can't rep you again, but Ivan Sanderson! Another name from my past. Now I can see how much I'll have to pay for his books on fleabay.
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Old 09-19-2016, 08:53 AM
 
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The splashes of water in front of each 'hump' indicate something was diving into the water, so it's probably three seals in a row.
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Old 09-19-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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I didn't see anything but the lake surface. But I thought the mystery was solved decades ago; it turned out to be a giant sturgeon.

BTW, what's this about seals? Are there fresh water seals in Loch Ness? Lake Baikal is said to have the only freshwater seals in the world.
It was solved, the famous "surgeons photograph" was dismissed as a hoax and the photo takers more or less explained how the picture was taken with a toy submarine.

You know, I've been to Loch Ness. It's not this lost forgotten lake, there is a busy highway on the north side of the lake, a good sized city on one side "inverness" and a number of smaller towns running it's length. If anything as much as pokes it's head above the surface it will get a number of cell phone cameras pointing in it's direction, not to mention there are streaming cameras already pointed across that lake and the entire length of the loch has been scanned, mapped, photographed, dredged, etc.
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