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Old 03-17-2017, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Tennessee/Michigan
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Government doesn't keep track of people who disappear on federal land.

July 23, 2015 was the eve of Joseph Lloyd Keller's 19th birthday. The Cleveland, Tennessee, native had been spending the summer between his freshman and sophomore years at Cleveland State Community College on a western road trip with buddies Collin Gwaltney and Christian Fetzner in Gwaltney’s old Subaru.

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Old 03-18-2017, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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I’ve heard stories about people visiting National Parks and while hiking just don’t come back. Missing and no evidence that anything happened, as if they vanished in thin air, yet their vehicles are parked in nearby parking lots and nothing is disturbed. The National Parks department doesn't want to keep records of these events.
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Planet Woof
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Fascinating article. Thank you for posting it.
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Default 1600 is 0.00053333333333333% of 300000000

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I’ve heard stories about people visiting National Parks and while hiking just don’t come back. Missing and no evidence that anything happened, as if they vanished in thin air, yet their vehicles are parked in nearby parking lots and nothing is disturbed. The National Parks department doesn't want to keep records of these events.
Between accidents, suicides and murders I am not sure what is hard to understand.


Japan has the suicide forest.


An Ethereal Forest Where Japanese Commit Suicide


If I am doing my math correctly 1600 is 0.00053333333333333% of 300,000,000 so not even a statistical anomaly.
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Old 03-19-2017, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn,NY
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I've heard of these disappearances and also Mr. Paulides books. Its easy in some wilderness areas to go off the path, fall into a crevasse or other area and not be found. Wild animals also may kill and carry a person away. And dont forget that there are people who go to live "off grid" and may be harming people stumbling onto desolate areas.

There are some cases though where the missing were just yards away from a group they were with before vanishing. I recall cases of one or two children who were found in places they could not have gotten to in thier own. Its these that are strange to read about.

People who spend time in areas like this and are experienced have reported strange encounters-Not Bigfoot either. Reports of mysterious stairs that are not connected to anything, objects that are out of place (collections of things like dirty magazines, machine parts etc) and a General feeling of sudden dread. Most of the world itself is unihabited. We dont know everything that is out there. Paulides also mentions the missing were not known to be armed. He theorizes that being armed is a deterrent to this. I have seen a few posters mention thier own experiences in deep wilderness.

Interesting and scary subject. We dont know all that is out there. To the OP-Great article and thread. The source offered a lot on the subject.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:27 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I've heard of these disappearances and also Mr. Paulides books. Its easy in some wilderness areas to go off the path, fall into a crevasse or other area and not be found. Wild animals also may kill and carry a person away. And dont forget that there are people who go to live "off grid" and may be harming people stumbling onto desolate areas.

There are some cases though where the missing were just yards away from a group they were with before vanishing. I recall cases of one or two children who were found in places they could not have gotten to in thier own. Its these that are strange to read about.

People who spend time in areas like this and are experienced have reported strange encounters-Not Bigfoot either. Reports of mysterious stairs that are not connected to anything, objects that are out of place (collections of things like dirty magazines, machine parts etc) and a General feeling of sudden dread. Most of the world itself is unihabited. We dont know everything that is out there. Paulides also mentions the missing were not known to be armed. He theorizes that being armed is a deterrent to this. I have seen a few posters mention thier own experiences in deep wilderness.

Interesting and scary subject. We dont know all that is out there. To the OP-Great article and thread. The source offered a lot on the subject.
The author of the original stairs-in-the-wilderness stories confessed she'd made them up.

It's easy to get spooked by some of the stories people put out there. It's helpful to remember that Paulides has an agenda; he's into finding "evidence" to support the Bigfoot fans. I think some of the wilderness missing-person stories boil down to hikers who become curious about a certain rock formation or landmark, decide to explore, and get into trouble, either falling off a trail or outcropping, or perhaps being attacked by an animal. Wilderness includes animals; people seem to think that it's safe just because there may be a couple of ranches in the vicinity or a few trails. Wilderness is wild. People are overconfident, and think it's a big, tame amusement park.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:41 AM
 
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Here's the thing...if you decide to go for a hike in the wilderness alone, you need to inform several people you are going out to XYZ, and you need to state the trail you will be on, and that you will inform them when you get back by "state your time". And don't deviate from your plans without notifying everyone.

Then...fully charge your cell phone, and turn on your gps. Take water and a foil blanket in your backpack.

These disappearances aren't really mysterious. You fall down a ravine, break your leg or back and you're stuck, then you die and then nature takes over and 5 years later someone finds a skull that they might be able to identify. You want to go walk? There are tons of highly used walking paths where you can walk alone, and if you fall into trouble, someone will be there. Going off alone into the wilderness is plain and simply stupid. If you need to commune with nature, redo your back yard.
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:13 PM
 
Location: occupied east coast
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It's a big world.


Many people (particularly the young and adventurous), find the scouted and marked trail system too tame, as a result, they seek new adventures "off trail".


As a result, when things occur, they might never be found.
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Back and Beyond
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Going off alone into the wilderness is plain and simply stupid. If you need to commune with nature, redo your back yard.
I disagree with this statement. This may be true for someone who is an inexperienced city dweller, but for some of us, going off alone in the wilderness is the only way to truly feel alive. Same reason people go skydiving, rock climbing, BASE jumping, drag racing, insert adrenaline producing activity here, etc. Sometimes only a true wilderness area will do and a backyard just won't cut it. If you're prepared and have experience it's not "simply stupid".

There's a book about deaths and disappearances in Grand Canyon national park. It's a pretty interesting read. Some guy had his wife back up to a ledge for a photo op and then pushed her and tried to make it look accidental. His first wife also died of a mysterious fall years early so they got him. Another guy waited 3 days for a front seat for a helicopter tour, did the tour, and on the way back opened up the door, said goodbye, and jumped into the canyon. The rangers were picking up scattered body parts every where. I think more than a few disappearances are suicide by wilderness. Many just died of dehydration, falls, or exposure after getting lost. Maybe a few sinister murders as well, but I'd say 99%+ of them are caused from one of the above. More than a few are also caused by people trying to get a photo. When I lived in western Colorado at the national monument, some young kid wanted his photo taken at an overlook. He hopped the fence, a big wind gust made him lose his footing and he fell hundreds of feet to his death.

I live in Alaska. There's lots of people who simply disappear, never to be found again. If you die out there, it would be pretty easy to never find you. I also like reading the stories of mountain climbers who fall to their deaths (even though it's extremely sad). They know exactly where the bodies are, but it's impractical/impossible/dangerous to retrieve the body so it's forever on the mountain. Everest is littered with bodies. There's at least 44 bodies on Denali that won't/can't be recovered and will be there forever. https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/arti...ry/2012/06/19/

I believe mount Rainer as well has a few bodies on it as well that they can't recover due to safety issues. 3 bodies found on Mount Rainier where hikers disappeared
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Old 03-19-2017, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Amelia Island
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This one was a mystery finally solved..........not for the better though.

I remember this years ago........as someone already mentioned, with today's technology it pays to give family or friends a heads up of your whereabouts.

Desert bones linked to German tourists - US news - Life | NBC News
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