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Old 08-24-2017, 08:29 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Until you factor in a vital element: Food.

A large mammal requires an incredible amount of daily calories to survive. Large primates in places like Borneo and equatorial Africa are surrounded by nutrient-rich vegetation, and they basically spend most of every day eating.

Nowhere in North America has that. Nowhere. A large primate can't survive off pine cones and branches. Any large mammal would have to supplement its diet with meat, much like bears do. But even bears still can't get enough calories to survive the winter, which is why they have evolved to hibernate.

So, if Bigfoot is part of the natural environment, we're talking about a minimum population of 500+ huge mammals who have to hunt and kill meat to survive. For such a population of meat-eaters to exist in the 20th century is nigh on impossible.

Conclusion: If Bigfoot exists (IF!!!), then it must be a supernatural creature.
Good points, BUT: the Bushmen of central Australia, a desolate area with little game or vegetation, have been studied and seem to do quite well on a diet consisting of about half the daily protein intake usually considered adequate. They've been found to harbor an unusual intestinal bacteria species that manufactures large amounts of amino acids-- enough to compensate for the protein deficient diet. A case where the human is parasitizing the bacteria.

Maybe BigFoot is doing this too. But I still agree with your conclusion!
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Old 08-24-2017, 08:38 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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Uh, Josh Gates is a scuba diver, climber, traveler, and television personality. He has no legitimate science credentials.
Other than a Tufts University degree in archaeology (and another in drama).
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Old 08-24-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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There is so much nutritional vegetation for BF to eat outside of the PNW than most can ever imagine. Million and millions of acres of crop land for them to graze on. Millions of acres of native plants. Millions of deer in most every state. It is just silly to think there is only BF in the PNW and that there is not adequate food for them
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Old 08-24-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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Old hairy is known to lay up alongside road and highways in patches of brush that you would never think they would be in.

Remember they always follow the creeks.
So guys, the lesson here is if you are driving and need to pee on the side of the road, be careful where you aim that thing.
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Old 08-24-2017, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Good points, BUT: the Bushmen of central Australia, a desolate area with little game or vegetation, have been studied and seem to do quite well on a diet consisting of about half the daily protein intake usually considered adequate. They've been found to harbor an unusual intestinal bacteria species that manufactures large amounts of amino acids-- enough to compensate for the protein deficient diet. A case where the human is parasitizing the bacteria.
A vital difference between Australian Bushmen and Bigfoot:

We have lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of actual evidence that Australian Bushmen really exist. You want photos? Lots available. Video? That too. You can even learn their language. Go visit them. Collect their DNA. You could probably even collect a stool sample, though they might think you a bit odd for asking.

Bigfoot? Not so much.
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Old 08-24-2017, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Get back with me when you have collected the actual facts.
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Old 08-24-2017, 02:32 PM
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Other than a Tufts University degree in archaeology (and another in drama).
Like I said, not a scientist, although I'll grant that he's way better educated than many or most of the television personalities dealing with unexplained phenomena.
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Old 08-24-2017, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Currently in San Diego
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I began researching the Bigfoot phenomenon on a totally different path, info for a kid's story I was working on where a BF plays a minor role. I was researching to become familiar with known or familiar behaviors, regions of habitation, vernacular associated with BF, etc. so I wouldn't come off sounding like a big dummy about the critter. Wull, 8 books, joining two BF research organizations, seeing scientific evidence, and several BF forums LATER......I'm simply astounded by how much I DIDN'T know before about BF!

I can only speak for myself, but I've learned too much for it to all be a big hoax. Impossible. If you don't believe, do the research yourself, there's PLENTY for the reading/seeing! I'm certainly not going to hand it to anyone on a silver platter. Do the work like I did and discover. Most people who make up their minds to not believe, won't believe evidence even when it is handed to them on a silver platter...so why waste time on them? I've got way better things to do than try to convince total strangers online, who are really usually just looking for arguments to pick, given the amount of time they apparently spend online doing just that.
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:22 PM
 
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There's way too much confirmation bias among the Bigfoot experts. Looking for signs of Bigfoot rather than just examining evidence. For instance if they come across an odd tree break they immediately jump to the conclusion that Bigfoot must have made it rather than just looking at it as an odd tree break and examining all possible causes.

Could there be something like Bigfoot out there? Sure, but unlikely. Nothing really compelling to say that it is some giant undiscovered ape rather than some really hairy mountain man/hipster out for a hike.

Seems if they were out there in a breeding population a simple sweep with a thermal camera from a helicopter would find them by the dozens. But instead we've got guys hooting out into the darkness and knocking on trees and jumping to conclusions whenever they hear some sound after that.

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Old 08-24-2017, 04:50 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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There is so much nutritional vegetation for BF to eat outside of the PNW than most can ever imagine. Million and millions of acres of crop land for them to graze on. Millions of acres of native plants. Millions of deer in most every state. It is just silly to think there is only BF in the PNW and that there is not adequate food for them
I didn't say there wasn't enough food. I said there wasn't enough contiguous forest habitat east of the Miss. R. with a sparse human population in order for them to avoid detection. BTW- foraging in row crops would be easily detected, so they're not doing that.
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