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Completely agree. Neurochem issues I am sure. Innate in some cases, uninfluenced by environment, present from birth.
Which means that your mother was always evil ... from birth?
Was she abusive to everyone around her? Was there a history of abuse in her family? Not trying to interrogate you about her, just sincerely wondering why you think evil was present from her birth. And what neurochem issues do you suspect were the cause?
Which means that your mother was always evil ... from birth?
Was she abusive to everyone around her? Was there a history of abuse in her family? Not trying to interrogate you about her, just sincerely wondering why you think evil was present from her birth. And what neurochem issues do you suspect were the cause?
(starting to feel like a thread hijacker)
In her case I would guess yes, present from birth.
Stories from relatives support that theory. Yes she treated everyone horribly, was verbally abusive to all and manifested wild rages; this was in Bklyn NY with close-together homes so all the neighbors knew she was crazy af. She was also highly intelligent, very funny and charming, though crass and vulgar, yet could also present as classy and well bred (she was not).
If someone identified the neurochem imbalances that caused this they would have a Nobel. Who knows? Maybe it IS demon possession.
I've known a few children, maybe....10? over my 36 years as a housewife and Mother raising kids in suburbia that evidenced sadistic joy at very young ages; I could be wrong but none of the cases seemed to be in abusive families. I've had neighbor children whom I watched grow up who were cruel and violent from wee lads, and one girl I recall, and adept liars from a very early age.
One of my daughter's children is intellectually advanced and very,very manipulative (aged 3.5), always angry and unhappy and complaining,though she has a devoted Mother and superb home environment; refused, I mean refused the breast from birth (my daughter pumped for 14mos to avoid formula) and I think she may be a bad seed; genes you know from my Mother. My daughter is now on antidepressants from dealing with this child. Younger sib aged 18mos is pleasant and docile (also not as intelligent).
In her case I would guess yes, present from birth.
Stories from relatives support that theory. Yes she treated everyone horribly, was verbally abusive to all and manifested wild rages; this was in Bklyn NY with close-together homes so all the neighbors knew she was crazy af. She was also highly intelligent, very funny and charming, though crass and vulgar, yet could also present as classy and well bred (she was not).
If someone identified the neurochem imbalances that caused this they would have a Nobel. Who knows? Maybe it IS demon possession.
I've known a few children, maybe....10? over my 36 years as a housewife and Mother raising kids in suburbia that evidenced sadistic joy at very young ages; I could be wrong but none of the cases seemed to be in abusive families. I've had neighbor children whom I watched grow up who were cruel and violent from wee lads, and one girl I recall, and adept liars from a very early age.
One of my daughter's children is intellectually advanced and very,very manipulative (aged 3.5), always angry and unhappy and complaining,though she has a devoted Mother and superb home environment; refused, I mean refused the breast from birth (my daughter pumped for 14mos to avoid formula) and I think she may be a bad seed; genes you know from my Mother. My daughter is now on antidepressants from dealing with this child. Younger sib aged 18mos is pleasant and docile (also not as intelligent).
It is all interesting. I have also noticed young children who seem evil. Many of their parents are so startled with their behavior, demands, tantrums and entitlement that they just give in - which of course makes everything worse.
I mentioned a little girl in my first post who seemed evil as a toddler. The last I saw her, she was around nine. She unfortunately had a play date with my daughter, which turned into a vile tantrum.
Honestly, I think the parents, a somewhat older couple with no other children from this marriage - were frightened of her.
The mom even joked calling her once ""The Exorcist" -referencing the little girl in the film.
I didn't want to say it but I did not disagree.
OverItAll -I am wondering if your mother was anything like this.
Interestingly, we met this family at church and she was in my daughter's Sunday school class. Since it was a mainstream Protestant church, exorcism was not spoken of. Nor was the devil.
But if I ever met anyone who seemed possessed it was that kid...
Around a person, in a situation or location, during an experience? What happened? What was it like? How did you know? How did you react?
Yes, Monday to Friday from 9am to 6:30pm lol...I kid, I kid!
There was a couple (2 women) that lived next door to my parents. My parents were very friendly with the neighbors on either side so we would all get together pretty frequently and I was bff's with the girl next door. There were times where we would take pictures and after developing the film (this is before digital and phone cameras) and noticed that the one woman (the one that lived with another woman), her picture was always kind of blurry or had an "aura" around her. We just figured she moved while taking the picture but in all honesty, we never got a "warm" feeling from her but she was otherwise somewhat friendly. On the occasions that they hosted, it always felt tense in their house and every single picture we took of her came out distorted. Pictures of other people in the house were fine. Even though we would all be in one room, it always felt like someone was watching.
I don't know if that's "evil" but it was definitely weird.
To me the most interesting facet of the case is the way all deferred to her; no one ever stood up to her that I saw.
She ruled situations and either manipulated or intimidated folks to do as she wished, even those who knew she was horrible. This, I never and still do not understand. Yes she was beautiful -that may explain her husband's deference though he was no slouch-looked like a young, handsomer Ricky Ricardo though he was Italian- and could've gotten another, sane wife easy, but neighbors? Relatives? She abused her own elderly Mother (who, like her sister, was prob borderline IQ) verbally and physically and the Mother would COVER for her and lie.
Baffling. Does this fit more with something "demonic" or supernatural? The way she prevailed over all despite being so off the rails?
Fun fact: the bad seed's name is Evangeline (angel). How funny if she is indeed evil like the great-grandmother. I call her Evil E.
Evil is as evil does. How many serial killers blamed their depravity on their childhoods, mental illness, etc? It makes a good case for defense attorneys. Having depression or bipolar is not evil ... being abusive and commiting heinous acts is. Regardless of what else people may call it. Albert Fish with or without bipolar is still Albert Fish.
Anyway ... the information I read about GT may not have been accurate, so it wouldn't apply to her in that case.
Yes, I do not think it was accurate.
I researched a little more.....and.....just by happenstance, there was a biography about Gene Tierney on GET TV last night.
Not one mention of an alcohol problem or abuse of any kind.
She just seemed to be very fragile mentally and then, to top it all off, dealing with guilt because of what happened to one of her daughters.
During WWII, Gene was doing a meet and greet with fans near a military base while she was pregnant.
A military women snuck out of a measles quarantine so as not to miss a chance to meet Gene Tierney.
Gene got measles from her and her daughter was severely affected, born severely mentally retarded, blind and deaf. Gene and her husband, Oleg Cassini, consulted the best specialists in the world, nothing could be done and the child was institutionalized in one of the best facilities in the US. Howard Hughes, a dear friend of Gene's, paid for her care for life. Gene also visited her daughter regularly.
The guilt of going to that meet and greet haunted Gene for life, surely making her mental illness worse.
Gene's life was tragic and she never abused anyone......just wanted to set the record straight.
I would look at neuroscience and brain damage versus evil entities. Can't we move past the notion that lightening is caused by the gods playing...bowling, or something. Or that some natural disaster is caused by some diety's moral outrage? Let the human race grow up.
This is what I think too. Even in this day and age, we actually know very little about the intricacies of the brain.
Perhaps one day we will be able to cure these "evil" people, who knows?
You do know Bette took care of her all of her life - even now , even though she swindles people on her religious show . She also uses religion to continue to bash her . I saw this myself on TV when I was just scrolling thru channels so I cannot quote everything . She cannot stop the bashing . Bette admitted they had not alot in common but tried to do her best even getting BD's son a part to get him started .
BD's first book nearly killed Bette it hurt so badly and she talked about it LOUDLY and alot and not with anger but disbelief . I heard her , anyone that watched her interviews heard her AND she was still subsidizing her living
Just like Christina, a new book comes out when they run low on cash .
My mom was meaner than all get out but I do not dwell on it daily or 30 years later continue to bash her on TV or use religion to do it . I am actually the one who takes care of her ashes no one else wanted .
I put the blame in Bette's case squarely on her daughter.
Bette was brash but not a bad person from everything I have read.
Her daughter is a selfish, entitled, religious whacko and people like that are extremely judgmental and "holier than thou".
I doubt Bette could have passed muster with her daughter no matter how hard she tried to appease her.
And, as you said, Bette always looked out for her daughter no matter how vile her daughter was towards her.
To me the most interesting facet of the case is the way all deferred to her; no one ever stood up to her that I saw.
She ruled situations and either manipulated or intimidated folks to do as she wished, even those who knew she was horrible. This, I never and still do not understand. Yes she was beautiful -that may explain her husband's deference though he was no slouch-looked like a young, handsomer Ricky Ricardo though he was Italian- and could've gotten another, sane wife easy, but neighbors? Relatives? She abused her own elderly Mother (who, like her sister, was prob borderline IQ) verbally and physically and the Mother would COVER for her and lie.
Baffling. Does this fit more with something "demonic" or supernatural? The way she prevailed over all despite being so off the rails?
Fun fact: the bad seed's name is Evangeline (angel). How funny if she is indeed evil like the great-grandmother. I call her Evil E.
Well, she definitely had a personality disorder. Spoiled, undisciplined / entitled as a child, overindulged, pampered as beautiful children often are??? Reminds me of Veda from "Mildred Pierce". As for why she was surrounded by enablers, these types always are. Perhaps they wanted her money or social status by association, so had to remain in her good graces. Was her name Evangeline?
She was evil. But possessed? You didn't describe her violent, sadistic behaviors ... and you don't need to if it's too difficult here. A person possessed will be like a light switch ... they have a completely different personality that turns on and off instantaneously. Their face and eyes will change and become vacant, but pure evil. They can exhibit enormous strength, and become very violent. They can be calculating and methodical, or frenzied and out of control. You would sense a malevolent presence of unspeakable evil.
I believe Ted Bundy was possessed. Not just because he was a serial killer, but because he was "normal" most of the time. Charming. Had friends (including Ann Rule). Maintained a normal life. But then, according to witnesses, he would change and become someone / something else. We saw this during his trial when he suddenly lost his composure and became outraged. He was no longer able to control when Ted came and went, he was taken over, that's why his last killings were a spree. I've studied serial killers for over 20 years, since I was a Criminal Justice major. Not all of them were possessed, but I believe Ted definitely was.
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