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Old 11-29-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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Whole article is here: Science is no friend to the elusive Yeti - CNN

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Using this technique on the "Yeti" samples, Lindqvist and the team discovered that the items came from a Himalayan brown bear and a black bear. One tooth was from an animal in the dog family. The paw of the "Yeti" kept in a monastery came from a black bear. Another bone kept as a monastic relic was from a Tibetan brown bear.

The new study is not the first to point in this direction. A 2014 genetic analysis of 30 hair samples from "anomalous primates" believed to be Yetis came from a variety of better-known animals like a Paleolithic polar bear, other bears and dogs. One sample was believed to be from a hybrid bear, but that idea has come under question.
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Old 11-29-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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I watched the 2014 documentary where they did DNA analysis of many so-called bits of evidence, pretty much all debunked in the show, but they found that one "yeti" relic DNA had come from a common ancestor of both the modern polar and grizzly bears, before they split into two species thousands of years ago. It seems unlikely that that DNA would have not been too excessively degraded after all these years, unless there was some tiny remnant population of that animal still existing (or existing at the time the sample was found) in the Himalayas. I've never really been a believer, because I'm a science oriented person, but I found this interesting as a possibility. Such "living fossils" have been found of species previously believed to be extinct.
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Old 11-30-2017, 07:55 PM
 
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Interesting find with the DNA mentioned above. I don't think I'm the only one disappointed with the fact we did not find the large powerful cryptid of legend to be true. Esp in the Himalayas where tales of lost civilization and mystical things have been known all over the world.

We still have Bigfoot, UFO's, Hollow Earth and that supposed underground city in Antarctica to hope for though. : )
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Old 12-01-2017, 07:36 AM
 
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Interesting find with the DNA mentioned above. I don't think I'm the only one disappointed with the fact we did not find the large powerful cryptid of legend to be true. Esp in the Himalayas where tales of lost civilization and mystical things have been known all over the world.

We still have Bigfoot, UFO's, Hollow Earth and that supposed underground city in Antarctica to hope for though. : )
All the scientific evidence for Bigfoot, Yeti, etc. is pretty clear: It doesn't exist. At least not as part of the natural fauna of the environment.

IF Bigfoot exists --- and this is a huge, unproven if --- then the supernatural is the only remaining explanation.
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Old 12-01-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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All the scientific evidence for Bigfoot, Yeti, etc. is pretty clear: It doesn't exist. At least not as part of the natural fauna of the environment.

IF Bigfoot exists --- and this is a huge, unproven if --- then the supernatural is the only remaining explanation.
Today, we see reports here and there coming from many states of dogman sightings: upright primate-shaped beings with the heads of canids.

https://dogmanencounters.com/encounters-sightings/

There's a tradition of dog headed people, cynocephali, in both Eastern and Western cultures. Saint Christopher in one old story was a dogman who became a Christian and later a saint:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynocephaly

So what's going on in these contemporary and ancient reports? A man-sized upright canid fits nowhere in our knowledge of living or fossil organisms - the only animals remotely like it are the mandrill, the indri, and the baboon, and they're neither man-sized nor upright. So that leaves us with misidentification, hoaxes, or something paranormal.

Ditto with big hairy wild men. Again, they can be found playing a role in the mythology of many cultures:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_man

In Basque mythology, the basajuan were thought to have built the megaliths, to protect livestock, and to have taught humans agriculture and ironworking:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basajaun

Wildmen and cynocephali are therefore frequently a helper or teacher rather than a monster - and in the case of the cynocephali, can even become saints. In this article, Dee Ansberg suggests sasquatch is an archetype for mystery, in the Jungian sense (thus if he doesn't exist, we would create him);

Sasquatch as Archetype for Mystery | Dee Ansbergs - Academia.edu

Sasquatch is the mystery remaining when the sacred groves have been emptied out, and the world has been tamed. We need sasquatch and our sea monsters because without them the world would be a poorer place. They are our encounters with the unknown, our hope that we don't have all the answers, and a way to experience the kind of wonder you also encounter in a great cathedral, or in initiation to a religious mystery. We find mysteries around us, because we need them.

And that's why I've predicted before that within decades of our establishing colonies on other planets in the solar system, there would be reports that out there in the "outback", over in the next crater, someone had run into a Martian. Or the ghost of a Martian. We need our unexplained mysteries because they're part of what makes us human.
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:40 AM
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All the scientific evidence for Bigfoot, Yeti, etc. is pretty clear: It doesn't exist. At least not as part of the natural fauna of the environment.

IF Bigfoot exists --- and this is a huge, unproven if --- then the supernatural is the only remaining explanation.
If any of these creatures start to become a threat we need to know their origin so we know who to call on to protect us. As Master Wong said: "While heroes like the Avengers protect the world from physical dangers, we sorcerers safeguard it against more mystical threats."
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Old 12-03-2017, 06:51 AM
 
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There are people who insist that these cryptids do not exist yet we have many, many global witnesses who say they do. As we all know, it is impossible to prove a negative yet only one sighting has to be correct for the existence to be validated.

There are far too many worldwide sightings and far too much footprint and handprint evidence for these creatures NOT to exist. The people on here who tell us with such certainty are those who will not be convinced however much physical evidence is produced. So, what's in it for them to keep on telling us these creatures dont exist? Hmm... I wonder.

So Mark S - are you telling us Professor Jeff Meldrum is chasing after shadows since he has a very large collection of bigfoor plaster casts of hands and feet?
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Old 12-03-2017, 02:12 PM
 
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There are people who insist that these cryptids do not exist yet we have many, many global witnesses who say they do. As we all know, it is impossible to prove a negative yet only one sighting has to be correct for the existence to be validated.

There are far too many worldwide sightings and far too much footprint and handprint evidence for these creatures NOT to exist. The people on here who tell us with such certainty are those who will not be convinced however much physical evidence is produced. So, what's in it for them to keep on telling us these creatures dont exist? Hmm... I wonder.

So Mark S - are you telling us Professor Jeff Meldrum is chasing after shadows since he has a very large collection of bigfoor plaster casts of hands and feet?
Footprints can be easily faked. And often have been, as has been repeatedly demonstrated.

"Sightings" could be anything. Hallucinations. Hoaxes. Or the supernatural. It isn't definitive proof of anything.

Answer me this:

Just to maintain a healthy breeding population of any given mammal, you need a minimum of a few hundred individuals just to keep the gene pool healthy. So you're saying that there are several hundred large primate-like creatures wandering North America, yet we don't have a single definitive photograph, corpse, bone, tuft of hair, or pile of poo. Not one. After decades of looking.

And what do several hundred large primates eat every day? They would require an ENORMOUS amount of daily calories just to survive. Bears (a species for which we have lots of proof, by the way) can't even do it. They are omnivorous, spend almost every waking moment eating, yet they still can't get enough calories to survive winter. So they hibernate.

North America isn't Borneo or equatorial Africa. We don't have tons of calorie-rich foliage for large primates to consume. So what is Sasquatch eating? It would have to supplement its diet with large quantities of meat, which would necessitate hunting.

You're telling me that there are several hundred eight-foot carnivores roaming the woods of North America, yet not an ounce of definitive evidence of their existence has turned up?

So yeah. If Sasquatch exists (IF!), then the supernatural is the only real explanation.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:36 PM
 
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Today, we see reports here and there coming from many states of dogman sightings: upright primate-shaped beings with the heads of canids.

https://dogmanencounters.com/encounters-sightings/

There's a tradition of dog headed people, cynocephali, in both Eastern and Western cultures. Saint Christopher in one old story was a dogman who became a Christian and later a saint:
But that's patently ridiculous. They are clearly werewolves.
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Old 12-04-2017, 11:46 PM
 
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You're telling me that there are several hundred eight-foot carnivores roaming the woods of North America, yet not an ounce of definitive evidence of their existence has turned up?
Yes, I am. There is evidence, but you do not accept it. Thats YOUR problem, not a problem with the evidence.

I believe you forget that these are not just "several hundred eight-foot carnivores roaming the woods of North America" but they are INTELLIGENT too. Bears are not particularly interested in remaining out of sight of humans, these cryptids are.

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Footprints can be easily faked. And often have been, as has been repeatedly demonstrated.
"Sightings" could be anything. Hallucinations. Hoaxes. Or the supernatural. It isn't definitive proof of anything.
So you ARE saying that professor Jeff Meldrum is being hoaxed all the time, is investigating nothing at all and totally wasting his time with his research... And, you know this how?

The Missing 411 books document an ex-police officer's investigations into disappearances in USA National Forests. Many of the people he interviewed have seen large hairy man-sized creatures and some of the returned little children described the creatures who took them as dog-faced or "Mr Dog".

The ancient Eqyptian culture had fox/dog headded beings depicted on their walls, and as I said, many people have seen these things close-up in present times. You cannot dismiss ALL these types of witness accounts as hoaxes and made-up stories just because you do not believe it is true. What makes you correct and them wrong?
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