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Old 04-19-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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No basis for the first paragraph.

The second one though...there have been a variety of Advanced Development projects for supersonic or super-cavitating underwater weapons and craft over the years.

Its just much more likely that these reports involved sightings of those prototypes than some alien spacecraft. (BTW, your own nation's military ran one of those projects...one of several nations that have).
If modern UFO reports are any indicator of what they are working on with experimental aircraft technology, its totally silent operation, ability to hover in place, cloaking that makes it invisible to the naked eye, jamming and distorts electronic and mechanical devices on the ground nearby, (cell phones, cars, computers, etc).

I could understand this since it was so effective when they were testing the B2, and stealth technology, but there is one aspect that conflicts, and that is the fact that craft with abilities I listed above have been reported for decades, so if it was experimental in the 50s or 60s, it would not STILL be experimental today, at least not all of it anyway, we would see some of this technology trickle down/out to known and widely used aircraft by now, there is something fishy about that, considering the F35 is the most advanced military jet we have today and it is extremely loud, cannot cloak itself, etc.
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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Reflections off of satellite debris is often mistaken for ufo's.
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Old 04-24-2018, 11:40 PM
 
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Reflections off of satellite debris is often mistaken for ufo's.
Do you have any theories on what people were seeing in the skies (and reporting as UFOs) BEFORE the airplane was invented?

Its very interesting to read thru old UFO reports, like from the 1700s, 1800s, and early 1900s. they were seeing 'something' and we know for a FACT, it was NOT man-made, NOT experimental govt craft.

Strangely, the UFOs back then, are the exact same shapes still reported today, (triangles, tubular shaped, circular, and rectangular are the most common), general behavior and capabilities were also very similar
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Old 04-25-2018, 02:12 AM
 
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Do you have any theories on what people were seeing in the skies (and reporting as UFOs) BEFORE the airplane was invented?

Its very interesting to read thru old UFO reports, like from the 1700s, 1800s, and early 1900s. they were seeing 'something' and we know for a FACT, it was NOT man-made, NOT experimental govt craft.

Strangely, the UFOs back then, are the exact same shapes still reported today, (triangles, tubular shaped, circular, and rectangular are the most common), general behavior and capabilities were also very similar
Ok, I'm interested. But first, can we establish that all those 'reports' from the 1700's and on are not modern day hoaxes?

No doubt you've read Ezekiel's description of what sounds like a 'UFO' (make that a spaceship) way back then. Of course it could have been magic mushrooms, cobra venom or that bush that folks back then made 'tea' from but to come up with a vision of what could be called a modern or futuristic (to us) space vehicle? He actually rode in it, remember? Interesting that he never mentioned things like the other planets, stars, exoplanets, galaxies and the universe - things he could not have known about.
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Old 04-25-2018, 07:57 AM
 
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Do you have any theories on what people were seeing in the skies (and reporting as UFOs) BEFORE the airplane was invented?

Its very interesting to read thru old UFO reports, like from the 1700s, 1800s, and early 1900s. they were seeing 'something' and we know for a FACT, it was NOT man-made, NOT experimental govt craft.
You don't know what they saw (and neither do I), so there is no way you can say that is a fact. It isn't. It is interesting to be sure. But remember: That U in UFO stands for Unidentified. It could be any number of things:

A natural phenomenon we have not yet discovered.

Extraterrestrial craft.

Time travelers from our own future.

Too much grog at the tavern.

Mental illness / hallucinations.

Drones sent up by the Reptiloids from the Hollow Earth.

Atlantean sky surfers.

The Heralds of Galactus.

Until further evidence comes to light, we have no idea what they might have been. Therefore we cannot state any assertion as fact. It's just speculation.
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Old 04-26-2018, 11:26 AM
 
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You don't know what they saw (and neither do I), so there is no way you can say that is a fact. It isn't. It is interesting to be sure. But remember: That U in UFO stands for Unidentified. It could be any number of things:

A natural phenomenon we have not yet discovered.

Extraterrestrial craft.

Time travelers from our own future.

Too much grog at the tavern.

Mental illness / hallucinations.

Drones sent up by the Reptiloids from the Hollow Earth.

Atlantean sky surfers.

The Heralds of Galactus.

Until further evidence comes to light, we have no idea what they might have been. Therefore we cannot state any assertion as fact. It's just speculation.
Well, in the years before the airplane was invented, we can say for certain, NONE of them were man-made, or mis IDs, etc.
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Old 04-26-2018, 11:34 AM
 
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Ok, I'm interested. But first, can we establish that all those 'reports' from the 1700's and on are not modern day hoaxes?

No doubt you've read Ezekiel's description of what sounds like a 'UFO' (make that a spaceship) way back then. Of course it could have been magic mushrooms, cobra venom or that bush that folks back then made 'tea' from but to come up with a vision of what could be called a modern or futuristic (to us) space vehicle? He actually rode in it, remember? Interesting that he never mentioned things like the other planets, stars, exoplanets, galaxies and the universe - things he could not have known about.
You have to keep in mind though drugs like mushrooms and other hallucinogens, do not really produce that detailed hallucinations, they basically enhance/alter things that are already there, despite what tv and movies depict!

Im sure some of the old ones were hoaxes or just completely false, but its strange that its the same exact shapes and behavior reported in UFOs today, but people in the past described them using terms and things familiar to them at the time.
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Old 04-26-2018, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Well, in the years before the airplane was invented, we can say for certain, NONE of them were man-made, or mis IDs, etc.
No. You can't. Until you know what they are, you can't say anything for certain.

What if 300 years from now humanity discovers time travel? Those UFOs seen in the 1700s might be man-made craft from the 2400s. We have as much evidence for that as we do for extraterrestrials (meaning none).

Until we know what they were, they remain Unidentified Flying Objects.
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Old 04-26-2018, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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No doubt you've read Ezekiel's description of what sounds like a 'UFO' (make that a spaceship) way back then. Of course it could have been magic mushrooms, cobra venom or that bush that folks back then made 'tea' from but to come up with a vision of what could be called a modern or futuristic (to us) space vehicle? He actually rode in it, remember? Interesting that he never mentioned things like the other planets, stars, exoplanets, galaxies and the universe - things he could not have known about.
Ezekiel's experience was an example of the God-chariot vision of merkabah mysticism - a tradition that spanned about a thousand years in Jewish writings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkabah_mysticism

You see the influence of this tradition in the Apocalypse of John (aka Book of Revelation) in the New Testament. Those who see a "spaceship" in Ezekiel are reading modern expectations into a long-standing mystical tradition.
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Old 04-26-2018, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Well, in the years before the airplane was invented, we can say for certain, NONE of them were man-made, or mis IDs, etc.
Balloons and kites predate airplanes.....
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