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Old 04-30-2018, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Well, in the years before the airplane was invented, we can say for certain, NONE of them were man-made, or mis IDs, etc.
I guess you cannot address the fact that balloons and kites predate airplanes. When we get this wrong we can only assume what else we get wrong.
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Old 04-30-2018, 02:47 PM
 
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Do you have any theories on what people were seeing in the skies (and reporting as UFOs) BEFORE the airplane was invented?

Its very interesting to read thru old UFO reports, like from the 1700s, 1800s, and early 1900s. they were seeing 'something' and we know for a FACT, it was NOT man-made, NOT experimental govt craft.

Strangely, the UFOs back then, are the exact same shapes still reported today, (triangles, tubular shaped, circular, and rectangular are the most common), general behavior and capabilities were also very similar
"Manmade" flying objects are not even a factor in most UFO's. It's inconsequential. There are tons of natural phenomena (some still not understood) that would fill a book that would explain many UFO sightings. Halley's comet was a UFO for thousands of years.

Shape and size - you just gave every basic geometric shape that exists - triangle, tube, circle, rectangular...what else is there? Once again let's stress the "unidentified" in UFO. Why is it unidentified? We just don't have enough information to classify what it is - natural, man-made, alien. Why would you dismiss 2 of the 3 and conclude only 'alien"?
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Old 05-01-2018, 11:52 AM
 
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I guess you cannot address the fact that balloons and kites predate airplanes. When we get this wrong we can only assume what else we get wrong.
Kites and balloons do not make hard angular turns, nor were they equipped with lights of any kind.
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Old 05-01-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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"Manmade" flying objects are not even a factor in most UFO's. It's inconsequential. There are tons of natural phenomena (some still not understood) that would fill a book that would explain many UFO sightings. Halley's comet was a UFO for thousands of years.

Shape and size - you just gave every basic geometric shape that exists - triangle, tube, circle, rectangular...what else is there? Once again let's stress the "unidentified" in UFO. Why is it unidentified? We just don't have enough information to classify what it is - natural, man-made, alien. Why would you dismiss 2 of the 3 and conclude only 'alien"?
Im not jumping to them being aliens, the future time traveler theory makes a lot of sense imo, it would explain nearly everything about UFOs, past and present, especially on why these 'craft' seem to be exactly the same over the course of 1000s of years.


I do not believe they are experimental govt/ military craft though, the main reason being, even the most advanced fighter plane that exists today, is nothing compared to most UFOs that are reported. If they were experimental, we would see at least some of that tech trickling out/ down to known aircraft over the years, like the B2, stealth, eventually they were not UFOs anymore, the tech became public and was widely used....so where are the aircraft that can operate in total silence today? where are the ones that can make themselves totally invisible to the naked eye? If we have experimental aircraft that can operate on what appears to be some kind of anti gravity, why is the space program not using them, or companies like SpaceX?

My main point is, eventually experimental or test aircraft, becomes common and widespread use, we can see the tech trickle down to other aircraft, etc
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Old 05-01-2018, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Kites and balloons do not make hard angular turns, nor were they equipped with lights of any kind.
Balloons have lights, they are driven by hot air. Kites can make sharp turns.

But none of this matters because you are just adding it now to fit your agenda. Real learning comes from having an open mind and being willing to learn. When you have the answer in mind already and are willing to discard anything that counters your answer it is easy to come to conclusions. It does not make the conclusions correct though.
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Old 05-02-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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Balloons have lights, they are driven by hot air. Kites can make sharp turns.

But none of this matters because you are just adding it now to fit your agenda. Real learning comes from having an open mind and being willing to learn. When you have the answer in mind already and are willing to discard anything that counters your answer it is easy to come to conclusions. It does not make the conclusions correct though.
balloons/ kites could explain some UFO reports, but in most I read thru every week from MUFON and NUFORC, the unexplained craft demonstrates behavior that would seem unlikely for a kite or balloon.

Besides all that, the Dec. 2017 news articles about the Pentagon and UFOs, indicate these things were NOT balloons or kites, (unknown metal alloys) they SECRETLY have stored at various locations, like Bigelow Aerospace.
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Old 05-02-2018, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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balloons/ kites could explain some UFO reports, but in most I read thru every week from MUFON and NUFORC, the unexplained craft demonstrates behavior that would seem unlikely for a kite or balloon.

Besides all that, the Dec. 2017 news articles about the Pentagon and UFOs, indicate these things were NOT balloons or kites, (unknown metal alloys) they SECRETLY have stored at various locations, like Bigelow Aerospace.
You were speaking of before aircraft and now have made the jump to when there are aircraft.

The alloys you are speaking about are in fact not unknown alloys, and the source never said that they were!! Here is one article that also explains the alloy part:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...mes-ufo-story/
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Old 05-03-2018, 09:25 AM
 
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I guess you cannot address the fact that balloons and kites predate airplanes. When we get this wrong we can only assume what else we get wrong.
Actually there are a few Renaissance paintings that include what we would call UFOs and they are not balloons nor kites. These are just a couple. There are several.



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Old 05-03-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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Actually there are a few Renaissance paintings that include what we would call UFOs and they are not balloons nor kites. These are just a couple. There are several.
The bottom one is a painting by a California artist named Jason Hernandez, done in a medieval style - not a Renaissance painting (click on Show More at the bottom to see it):

jasonhernandezart

That the "Renaissance" guy is typing on a Macbook should be a giveaway.

Regarding other images - many of them represent clouds, comets, meteors, angels, or God's glory in Renaissance art. As I've said before, we tend to read our current assumptions into these images. For example: the "spaceships" with pilots in them most likely represent comets, because (1) comets were terrifying, (2) comets were believed to be signs accompanying historical events like the Nativity, and (3) comets were thought to carry angels. That's the most likely reason for the "pilots" in the comets.
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Old 05-03-2018, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Actually there are a few Renaissance paintings that include what we would call UFOs and they are not balloons nor kites. These are just a couple. There are several.




You are saying that aliens hundreds of years ago were using Apple products?

I mean if we can get this wrong how can we believe anything anyone says about aliens? This is a perfect example of how gullible we are and why should be skeptical.
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