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Old 06-04-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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No-one said it did. However, a government using a technique for 25 years plus DOES indicate they think there is 'worth' in it. You cannot argue with that because it is fact.

I am sure you have said in the past something like, one scientific opinion does not make it a certainty. Some scientists just dont accept woo, and they will go to their death still not accepting it, yet others are happy to study it using proper scientific methods and procedures.

As I said before, if the authorities want people to believe they have closed down a project, you move it to the private sector and you issue a scientific report people like you can point to to discredit the science behind it.

Why are you trying so hard to convince us there is no basis for these techniques when the evidence (from military use and other scientific findings) are enough (25 years of usage) to convice the military and governemnt agencies to use it for their own purposes in MANY COUNTRIES not just the US.
Not to mention there is a WHOLE LOT of incentive to them for the general public NOT to be aware of abilities like this too, I think this is a big one. Just imagine if they released experiment findings that proved abilities like telekinesis, and other such things were accessible to everyone, as long as they learn how how to develop them or turn them on...that would be a disaster for govt, law enforcement, and authority in general, their level of control over the people would suddenly be gone.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:10 PM
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Not to mention there is a WHOLE LOT of incentive to them for the general public NOT to be aware of abilities like this too, I think this is a big one. Just imagine if they released experiment findings that proved abilities like telekinesis, and other such things were accessible to everyone, as long as they learn how how to develop them or turn them on...that would be a disaster for govt, law enforcement, and authority in general, their level of control over the people would suddenly be gone.
What you guys are talking about are innate human abilities that are either accessible to everyone through special training, or only to those that are born with a certain genetic makeup. If these are learned skills, are you telling me no one in the many thousands of years humans have been on this planet has learned to master tham, and passed that information on to others? Or that only the military has figured out the "secret key" to train people in them? You are aware that there is a history of academic investigation into things like psychokinesis and remote viewing going back to the 1930s?

13 University-Sanctioned Paranormal Research Projects | Mental Floss

The problem is: all the studies of them including government projects have shown these phenomena are not controllable or repeatable enough to be useful tools for the military or industry (this is precisely the reason why, by the way, phenomena like deja vu are extremely difficult to study). For those of us who have actually worked in or for the DoD and NASA, all these conspiracy theory claims of hidden projects and secret knowledge are silly. These guys can't even keep hackers out of their aging computer systems:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/10/u...-millions.html
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Old 06-11-2018, 07:54 AM
 
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What you guys are talking about are innate human abilities that are either accessible to everyone through special training, or only to those that are born with a certain genetic makeup. If these are learned skills, are you telling me no one in the many thousands of years humans have been on this planet has learned to master tham, and passed that information on to others? Or that only the military has figured out the "secret key" to train people in them? You are aware that there is a history of academic investigation into things like psychokinesis and remote viewing going back to the 1930s?

13 University-Sanctioned Paranormal Research Projects | Mental Floss

The problem is: all the studies of them including government projects have shown these phenomena are not controllable or repeatable enough to be useful tools for the military or industry (this is precisely the reason why, by the way, phenomena like deja vu are extremely difficult to study). For those of us who have actually worked in or for the DoD and NASA, all these conspiracy theory claims of hidden projects and secret knowledge are silly. These guys can't even keep hackers out of their aging computer systems:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/10/u...-millions.html
No, actually Govt is very good at keeping the BIG secrets, how often have you seen secrets related to our nuclear program get out or hacked into?

The recent JFK news also proves how effective they are at keeping stuff secret, in all those years since it happened, these details did not get out, leaked, hacked, etc. Thats pretty good considering how many people have come and gone from these agencies over the years!
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