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Old 06-04-2018, 05:10 AM
 
Location: PRC
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I dont think I can post this on the Space forum, although technically it is about space. It is also an Unexplained Mystery too.
However...below quotes taken from here

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From 1979, up until the arrival of the first U.S. astronauts at the International Space Station in 2000, the U.S. did not have a manned station in space according to the official public record. Yet, a passage in the diaries of President Ronald Reagan indicated that there was indeed a permanent U.S. presence in near Earth orbit.
From The Reagan Diaries

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On June 11, 1985, Reagan wrote:
Lunch with 5 top space scientists. It was fascinating. Space truly is the last frontier and some of the developments there in astronomy etc. are like science fiction, except they are real. I learned that our shuttle capacity is such that we could orbit 300 people [p.334].
This would appear to say in 1985 we had more space capabilities than the public realised. Now, either the quote from his diary is incorrect, or he got the number wrong, or the military censor did not pick up on it. Anyway, if it is as it looks, then that's amazing.
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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This is what Gary McKinnon found when he hacked US military computer systems too. (evidence of a US space force).

I think its highly probable, everyone knows they dont tell the public everything.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:32 PM
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It's a huge stretch from what Reagan wrote in his diary ("some of the developments there in astronomy etc. are like science fiction, except they are real. I learned that our shuttle capacity is such that we could orbit 300 people") to assuming it's evidence of an enormous secret space program ("Reagan’s admission is striking evidence that the NRO and USAF had secretly gone ahead in building permanent manned platforms in space that could conduct intelligence gathering and other military tasks.").

You do know that large orbiting space stations and hundreds of secret flights into orbit would be easily seen by amateur as well as professional astronomers around the world, and would result in headlines of the "what are all these flights about"? Where are all these delivery systems kept and why don't we have evidence of all these launches into orbit? And that Gary McKinnon (who appears to have bought into delusional conspiracy theories about borrowed alien tech) hacked into government computers using a simple Perl script and taking advantage of poor security on their systems (pretty impressive goverment high tech, huh)?

The government may not be telling you everything, but they can't launch hundreds of tons of equipment and materials into orbit over decades without someone noticing it.
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Old 06-04-2018, 07:57 PM
 
Location: PRC
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The government may not be telling you everything, but they can't launch hundreds of tons of equipment and materials into orbit over decades without someone noticing it.
That's not so...because someone (quite a few actually) has noticed it.

In 2015 a SOHO camera caught a strange space station-like picture. It does not appear to be like the ISS so if you dont like it being American then maybe it is one launched by another country, possibly Russian or Chinese? It is certainly not an artifact of the camera.

SOHO image of space 'station'

I have no problem with secret or military space hardware, every country has this stuff, but you denying it is there in the face of photographic evidence, is like placing your fingers in your ears and shouting loudly I CAN'T HEAR YOU when someone else is speaking.

Secret space shuttle article

So..I gues they ARE launching hundreds of tons of space hardware into orbit.
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:14 AM
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That's not so...because someone (quite a few actually) has noticed it.


In 2015 a SOHO camera caught a strange space station-like picture. It does not appear to be like the ISS so if you dont like it being American then maybe it is one launched by another country, possibly Russian or Chinese? It is certainly not an artifact of the camera.
The article says:

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What is more interesting about this object is that it can only be found using the LASCO C3 camera. The LASCO C2 camera does not seem to display the object.
The fact that only one camera shows it suggests it's an artifact (impact of a cosmic ray) or (less likely) space junk floating near SOHO. You have no information about the size of the supposed object (other than number of pixels in the image) so you have no way of knowing if it's a space station sized object a long way off or a small object nearby. If it's not the result of a cosmic ray impact it's probably some nearby junk associated with deployment of SOHO.

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So..I gues they ARE launching hundreds of tons of space hardware into orbit.
We know there have been and will be launches of classified satellites by the military. That's been goign on since the early days of the space program. We also know how many shuttle launches there were, and how many astronauts went up. The total payload for the 11 classified launches made by the shuttle at 65,000 pounds of payload per flight is about 357 tons. That's enough for one big space station. Let's say they somehow managed to hide the effort that would be needed by these astronauts to assemble said space station in orbit and somehow supply it with crew and materials off the books. What the article you linked to is actually claiming is much more ambitious and way off in paranoid conspiracy territory:

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… cloaked space stations in near Earth orbit that use technologies as much as 50 years ahead of what is found on the International Space Station … limited disclosure scenario to hide the existence of even more advanced space programs … the U.S. had a secret fleet of military spacecraft that could send up to 300 people to one or more secret space stations in near Earth orbit…. more classified space programs … that maintain bases on the Moon, Mars, and deep space fleets … the manned orbital space stations manned by the NRO are effectively a cover program for more highly classified programs that he worked on from 1987 to 2007 that maintain off-world bases and interplanetary fleets…. they’re probably up to 50 years more advanced in the International Space Station.… distract the public from the more damaging revelations by Goode and other space program whistleblowers about off-planet bases, space fleets, and trade with extraterrestrial races. …
Seriously, Paul?
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Old 06-05-2018, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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How is this an Unexplained Mystery or Paranormal?


From the forum guidelines post:


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This is NOT a forum for prosthelytizing...
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Old 06-06-2018, 02:46 AM
 
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What you guys are talking about are innate human abilities that are either accessible to everyone through special training, or only to those that are born with a certain genetic makeup. If these are learned skills, are you telling me no one in the many thousands of years humans have been on this planet has learned to master tham, and passed that information on to others?
Yes, thats what is being talked about here. Buddhist monks, Zen masters, occult societies, all train their initiates as you are describing. Ingo Swann just happened to write out a training package which he subsequently claimed anyone could be trained to do Remote Viewing. Of course people with some abilities were better at it than just anyone. People like Ed Dames, Jo McMoneagle, etc are the ones who now do RV training in the private sector and I believe they still do some work for the military even after the military closed the official program. The Russians had a RV program so the US needed one too, that was the original reason why they looked into it.

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For those of us who have actually worked in or for the DoD and NASA, all these conspiracy theory claims of hidden projects and secret knowledge are silly.
Silly? I tell you what is silly and that is keeping some of this stuff secret long, long after it needs to be, just because secrecy types like to do that. It consumes them and becomes their reason for living. As you know since you say you worked for the DOD or some other 3-letter, does not mean you were privvy to all the information there was.

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The total payload for the 11 classified launches made by the shuttle at 65,000 pounds of payload per flight is about 357 tons. That's enough for one big space station. Let's say they somehow managed to hide the effort that would be needed by these astronauts to assemble said space station in orbit and somehow supply it with crew and materials off the books.
What you appear to be saying, is that you dont think this craft is from Earth? (Sharp intake of breath)

OK, lets show everyone who cant be bothered to visit the link I posted, what we are talking about here. Does this REALLY look like an image artifact. Those image artifacts are normally blocky and random pixels lumped together and these are not that - as can be seen by the enlargement.



So now let me quote from that article which might explain why one SOHO camera (LASCO C3) caught this thing and another (LASCO C2) did not.
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C2 images show the inner solar corona up to 8.4 million kilometers (5.25 million miles) away from the Sun.
C3 images have a larger field of view: They encompass 32 diameters of the Sun. To put this in perspective, the diameter of the images is 45 million kilometers (about 30 million miles) at the distance of the Sun, or half of the diameter of the orbit of Mercury. Many bright stars can be seen behind the Sun.
LASCO = Large Angle Spectrometric Coronagraph

https://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/data.html
https://www.helioviewer.org/
However, having poked about in these two places I dont think the maximum resolution of the images shown are good enough to produce something like what has been posted on that website - unless it was humungous in size (which is definitely possible of course). So, after all that, now we are looking at a really large space station or craft which is miles across and miles high which stretches even further, belief systems which are already stretched.

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Old 06-07-2018, 07:25 AM
 
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The big question I have that Conspiracy Theorists always fail to answer adequately: How could The Conspiracy keep this secret?

Whether you are talking about the Space Force, the Secret Alien Alliance, faked moon landings, Area 51, Montauk, or whatever, in nearly every case you are talking about hundreds or even thousands of people having intimate knowledge of The Conspiracy over decades. And no one comes forward with proof???

All we have is a few supposed whistleblowers making outrageous claims without any verifiable evidence. How does that happen?

When it comes to real conspiracies that we know happened --- the murder of Julius Caesar, Watergate, bombing Cambodia, Monica Lewinsky under the desk, the Manhattan Project, Iran/Contra, etc., etc., etc. --- it was usually only a matter of months (and sometimes hours!) before people started blabbing all over the place. Lots and lots of people talked and had credible evidence to back up their claims.

But for a top secret Space Force, which would entail at least hundreds of scientists, engineers, contractors, pilots, and military personnel over decades ... not one bit of credible, verifiable evidence? Not one? Really???
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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The big question I have that Conspiracy Theorists always fail to answer adequately: How could The Conspiracy keep this secret?

Whether you are talking about the Space Force, the Secret Alien Alliance, faked moon landings, Area 51, Montauk, or whatever, in nearly every case you are talking about hundreds or even thousands of people having intimate knowledge of The Conspiracy over decades. And no one comes forward with proof???

All we have is a few supposed whistleblowers making outrageous claims without any verifiable evidence. How does that happen?

When it comes to real conspiracies that we know happened --- the murder of Julius Caesar, Watergate, bombing Cambodia, Monica Lewinsky under the desk, the Manhattan Project, Iran/Contra, etc., etc., etc. --- it was usually only a matter of months (and sometimes hours!) before people started blabbing all over the place. Lots and lots of people talked and had credible evidence to back up their claims.

But for a top secret Space Force, which would entail at least hundreds of scientists, engineers, contractors, pilots, and military personnel over decades ... not one bit of credible, verifiable evidence? Not one? Really???
Despite what people say, our govt is actually very good at keeping the BIG secrets.

A great example is the JFK files that Trump recently took credit for trying to de-classify, think about how many years this has been secret...in all that time, NO ONE has leaked any of it. The FBI was trying to keep a certain section classified beyond the legal limitations, again, NO ONE had leaked the section they were trying to keep secret. Thats ALOT of different people coming and going from these agencies over the years!

Another good example is how the CIA disguised previous experimental aircraft back in the 60s, 70s and 80s, it was common for them to use the popularity of UFOs, to hide the secret aircraft they were working on, like the B2, stealth bomber and other craft, in ALL that time, NO ONE leaked this secret out. It wasnt until later in the 2000s that govt even admitted to doing this, so again, thats pretty effective secret keeping, across numerous agencies and over a period of decades.
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