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Old 01-03-2019, 01:07 PM
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The dog is supposed to have evolved from the wolf, many years ago. However, you would have thought you would be able to trace the way the breeding and evolution came to what we can see today. Some of the dog breeds are so far removed from the wolf that it is difficult to believe they come from the same ancestor. Yet, that is what we are told.

2014 article
If by "far removed from the wolf" you mean they don't look much like a wolf, that's the result of human intervention. If the article's supposed to point to something more mysterious going on, I don't see it.

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Where is the line of genetics which lead us from the wolf to the toy poodle (or some other breed which is very different). There should be a clear link from one form to another but there is no fossil evidence like there is with some other animals.
You do realize that toy poodles and all other breeds of dog are the result of breeders over hundreds of years selecting offspring for certain characteristics? Just as we've done with many other plants and animals since we invented agriculture and domestication.

There's no fossil evidence that illustrates the transition from wolf-dog ancestor to toy poodle because (1) the process was very rapid (a few thousand years) compared to geological spans of time, and (2) very few individual skeletons survive the ravages of time -- most decay away. Fossilization is rare.

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Yes, people say that but consider the number of times scientists have 'discovered' water on the Moon and on Mars, yet this has always been taken witha pinch of salt. There are many people (OK, not scientists) who believe there are signs of life on Mars, yet no-one believes them - even though they use the same methods (photos) science uses to explain rilles and other physical attributes of planets.
Plenty of people see Jesus or his Mother in waterstains and fried tortillas, too. Landforms and rocks that resemble bigfoot on Mars are evidence of the human brain's ability to find patterns in nature, not evidence of life on Mars -- as I and many others have pointed out many times before. The Badlands Guardian is a prime example:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/...-walsh-alberta

What you continue to insist on ignoring (or don't understand) is that there have been a number of findings on Mars that have excited scientists, and have been reported in the press: the Viking lander labeled release experiment in 1976 suggested they had found a biological reaction, and this was immediately reported in the press rather than being suppressed. Another experiment didn't, however, and the suggestion was that exotic perchlorate chemistry was the culprit. In 1997, two of the Viking experimenters argued that the results were best understood in terms of biology -- especially in light of findings related to extremophiles over the past 40 years. See:

https://phys.org/news/2016-10-year-o...life-mars.html

This doesn't support your claim that scientists ignore data or suppress it. Another example from Mars is the soil matting observed in the areas disturbed by Spirit's landing bags which has been referred to as the "Magic Carpet" - it suggests microbial mats found on Earth. This has not been dismissed as a possibility, we just don't know at this point. See:

Does Mars have a microbial welcome mat? - Technology & science - Space - Space.com | NBC News

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There are NO career-changing life-changing opportunities for scientists who say they have discovered extraterrestrial life. There is only ridicule and discredit coming their way. If you think about it, you will see this is the truth.
Hogwash. See the examples from Mars exploration I linked to above. You have an anti-science conspiracy narrative you'd like to support but the facts deny the reality of the narrative.
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Old 01-04-2019, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Follow the oil exhaust cloud until you run out of gas, then turn left
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It would require a lot more physical work, but yeah, that is possible too.






Yeah, but the bigger problem is finding someone who will develop 110 film. (They are around.) C41's not terribly hard to process in a darkroom.
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Old 01-05-2019, 01:37 AM
 
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If by "far removed from the wolf" you mean they don't look much like a wolf, that's the result of human intervention. If the article's supposed to point to something more mysterious going on, I don't see it.

You do realize that toy poodles and all other breeds of dog are the result of breeders over hundreds of years selecting offspring for certain characteristics? Just as we've done with many other plants and animals since we invented agriculture and domestication.

There's no fossil evidence that illustrates the transition from wolf-dog ancestor to toy poodle because (1) the process was very rapid (a few thousand years) compared to geological spans of time, and (2) very few individual skeletons survive the ravages of time -- most decay away. Fossilization is rare.

Plenty of people see Jesus or his Mother in waterstains and fried tortillas, too. Landforms and rocks that resemble bigfoot on Mars are evidence of the human brain's ability to find patterns in nature, not evidence of life on Mars -- as I and many others have pointed out many times before. The Badlands Guardian is a prime example:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/...-walsh-alberta

What you continue to insist on ignoring (or don't understand) is that there have been a number of findings on Mars that have excited scientists, and have been reported in the press: the Viking lander labeled release experiment in 1976 suggested they had found a biological reaction, and this was immediately reported in the press rather than being suppressed. Another experiment didn't, however, and the suggestion was that exotic perchlorate chemistry was the culprit. In 1997, two of the Viking experimenters argued that the results were best understood in terms of biology -- especially in light of findings related to extremophiles over the past 40 years. See:

https://phys.org/news/2016-10-year-o...life-mars.html

This doesn't support your claim that scientists ignore data or suppress it. Another example from Mars is the soil matting observed in the areas disturbed by Spirit's landing bags which has been referred to as the "Magic Carpet" - it suggests microbial mats found on Earth. This has not been dismissed as a possibility, we just don't know at this point. See:

Does Mars have a microbial welcome mat? - Technology & science - Space - Space.com | NBC News

Hogwash. See the examples from Mars exploration I linked to above. You have an anti-science conspiracy narrative you'd like to support but the facts deny the reality of the narrative.
Its petty common knowledge that Govt WILL suppress and/or withhold certain types of news from the public.


There are a few determining factors and variables that allow them to make this determination, whether to suppress or withhold or release to the public.


Think about all the things Govt classifies...that is essentially govt suppressing information for some reason, usually it is done for the sake of the public (they are better off NOT knowing these things).


Its kind of like if they knew a giant asteroid was going to hit earth in 6 months...it would not be in anyones best interest for them to make that public 6 months out, (there would be public panic, runs on banks, social order collapsing into chaos, etc), its 'better' to suppress/withhold until a later time.
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Old 01-05-2019, 06:27 AM
 
Location: PRC
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Its kind of like if they knew a giant asteroid was going to hit earth in 6 months...it would not be in anyones best interest for them to make that public 6 months out, (there would be public panic, runs on banks, social order collapsing into chaos, etc), its 'better' to suppress/withhold until a later time.


"Later time" ???

Do you think they would EVER tell us?

When exactly IS a good time for a little social unrest from the governments viewpoint ?
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Old 01-05-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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"Later time" ???

Do you think they would EVER tell us?

When exactly IS a good time for a little social unrest from the governments viewpoint ?
Probably around 24 hours before it hits.
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Old 01-07-2019, 05:49 PM
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Location: Tennessee
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That just suggests they may not be entirely 'compatible' with our phones or video recording devices.
Oh yeah, that must be what it suggest.
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:31 AM
 
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I am open to the possibility of alien life, as who are we to say what exists in the Universe. However, I find it difficult that people could keep secrets this long from the general public. I may be wrong, but if there were evidence of aliens like bodies, spacecraft, etc it would have probably come out by now. We've already have seen what happens when we interact with aliens in Star Trek. lol!
Yea, alien women are horny as heck!
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:51 AM
 
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Over the past 20 years we have been seeing more and more people from high government positions and people associated with aerospace companies with government contracts say yes UFOs are real and they have been with us since the beginning. They are documented in the Bible and ancient civilizations have talked about them. There are big reasons for the cover up. Obviously the government wouldn't want such technology to fall in the hands of enemies but if it just all came it it would lead to panic and a cultural shock. How do you tell people of faith that extraterrestrial entities came to earth, tampered with early apes DNA and we are the result? How do you tell people that we have alien DNA in us and that we are part alien ourselves? It rocks the foundation of the world's major religions and puts a dent in the Adam and Eve story.

But more and more people are coming forward like former Pentagon intelligence agent Luis Elizondo who led the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program involved with investigating UFOs. A government program made public.
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They are documented in the Bible
This?

Ezekiel’s first vision – four living creatures accompany a prophetic message from God (Ezekiel 1:1 – 1:28)
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Ezekiel saw a windstorm coming out of the north, an immense cloud surrounded by a brilliant flashes of lightning. In the center of the storm was fire that looked like glowing metal and what looked like four living creatures.
very well could be ...
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