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Old 01-29-2019, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Both demons/ghosts and extraterrestrial aliens are wrong humanistic interpretations/explanations for a phenomenon that is beyond the human frame of reference and therefore human comprehension. Even the "extra-dimensional being" explanation falls flat because (gifted and properly educated) humans can only come close to understanding other dimensions through the language of mathematics... our brains just aren't built to process the concept otherwise.

To get a feel for what I mean, sit your dog down and have him watch a 3d lesson about ancient Greek philosophy in sign language while your dog is wearing a VR headset ... Not only can the dog not get the highest thoughts of an ancient foreign culture, but they can't comprehend language communicated without sound, a computer recording or the hardware itself and their physiology won't even allow for them to process VR illusions.

Now realize you are the dog in interactions with "them"... that's pretty much why real paranormal experiences are terrifying, nonsensical, huge WTF moments to unlucky witnesses.

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Old 01-29-2019, 05:40 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Orthodox clergy was slaughtered after the Bolshevik revolution, and most churches were closed. Belief was suppressed in schools and Marxism raised up as a sort of state religion. Yeah, Russia did really well after Orthodoxy was suppressed by the atheists.

"We are surrounded by the greens (we pack it to them), we will move only about 10-20 versty and we will choke by hand the bourgeoisie, the clergy and the landowners. There will be an award of 100,000 rubles for each one hanged." -- Vladimir Lenin

A sampler of 20th century Russian Orthodox scientists, engineers, and mathematicians:
  • Igor Sikorsky - engineer, inventor of the helicopter
  • Abram Besicovitch - researcher in probability theory
  • Nikolay Bogolyubov - theoretical physicist and mathematician
  • Theodosius Dobzhansky - biologist, architect of the neo-Darwinian synthesis
  • Pavel Florensky - research on dielectrics, philosopher, mathematician
  • Dmitri Mendeleev - formulated the periodic table of elements
  • Alexander Popov - inventor, developed radio receiver at same time as Marconi
Religion has little to do with any backwardness in the history of Russia. Russia was in large part a feudal culture until the Bolsheviks took over, except for the cities which had been more modernized in the wake of Peter the Great's 18th century reforms.
I wasn't talking about the 20th Century. There were other reasons for Russia lagging behind the west, during the Soviet period. Your post is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. Oh well.
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Old 01-30-2019, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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I wasn't talking about the 20th Century. There were other reasons for Russia lagging behind the west, during the Soviet period. Your post is completely irrelevant to the point I was making. Oh well.
The article in question was published in 1975 in Fr. Rose's book "Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future" - I'm not sure what pre-20th century Russia would have to do with it. And Russia's irrelevant in any case, because Fr. Rose was born Eugene Rose in San Diego CA, studied Eastern religions and languages in college and graduate school, and converted to Orthodoxy in 1962. He was a member of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia (ROCOR) which split from the main Russian Orthodox Church as a result of the Bolshevik revolution. I am a member of the Orthodox Church in America (OCA), which is under the Moscow Patriarchate, but a large percentage of ROCOR and OCA members are not Russian at all. So Fr. Rose is about as Russian as Dwight Eisenhower.
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Old 01-30-2019, 11:35 AM
 
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Both demons/ghosts and extraterrestrial aliens are wrong humanistic interpretations/explanations for a phenomenon that is beyond the human frame of reference and therefore human comprehension. Even the "extra-dimensional being" explanation falls flat because (gifted and properly educated) humans can only come close to understanding other dimensions through the language of mathematics... our brains just aren't built to process the concept otherwise.

To get a feel for what I mean, sit your dog down and have him watch a 3d lesson about ancient Greek philosophy in sign language while your dog is wearing a VR headset ... Not only can the dog not get the highest thoughts of an ancient foreign culture, but they can't comprehend language communicated without sound, a computer recording or the hardware itself and their physiology won't even allow for them to process VR illusions.

Now realize you are the dog in interactions with "them"... that's pretty much why real paranormal experiences are terrifying, nonsensical, huge WTF moments to unlucky witnesses.
I agree 100%.


I think this explains the secrecy in large part, there is just no easy way to have 'full disclosure'...Govt probably knows more than we do on this topic, but since they are human beings, I doubt they grasp the big picture, there is just no way to 'dumb this down' enough for people to understand (even slightly) and/or not create a public panic.


I heard an analogy once that I think best describes this...


Consider fish and aquatic life, their entire world is underwater, that is all they know...they could not comprehend the extensive, complex world that exists right above their heads, even if they were plucked out of the water and got a look around, they couldnt understand any of it. They have NO idea their little world sits right in the middle of a MUCH larger and MUCH MUCH more complex world.
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Old Today, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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I always say "It's like trying to teach my cat calculus." That said, I am not sure that Extraterrestrials, etc. are beyond our comprehension. I have never met one in person. I have seen strange vehicles and lights doing maneuvers that are beyond what we would consider physically possible. If one is to believe the accounts of abductees, these beings seem able to communicate with us, and the abductees are able to understand them...so that puts us closer to understanding them than my cat is to ever understanding calculus. If you believe that crop circles are an attempt by ETs to communicate with us, especially the one that seemed to be an answer to information we sent out on Voyager (I think it was Voyager, but maybe Pioneer) then clearly they are understandable by us. Who knows what they are or where they come from or if they even exist at all? If they do exist, and they want to reveal themselves fully to us, I suspect the timing will be entirely up to them. I would be very interested in knowing who they are and what they're up to, but like everyone else, I will just have to wait.
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