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Old 01-28-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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This is a fairly long read, but it covers all the bases and does a great job explaining the phenomenon.


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Old 01-28-2019, 11:36 AM
 
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Yep, I agree he does a great job of laying out the argument for UFO activity being demonic in nature. This is just an hypothesis that was put forward by Fr. Rose in one of his books. Orthodox Christians can believe this or not, it's Fr. Rose's speculation and not an official statement of the Orthodox Church (or of the jurisidiction he belonged to, the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia). Hieromonk Rose (who wrote this) is by the way considered a saint by some Orthodox (though I don't belong to that camp). But some of his writings are controversial - like his defense of the aerial tollhouses, the belief that the soul spends 40 days after death passing through a series of tests, which many Orthodox reject.
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:12 AM
 
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Nah, bunch of mumbly jumbly. Once you've seen one you know it's real.
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Old 01-29-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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Nah, bunch of mumbly jumbly. Once you've seen one you know it's real.
Ive seen plenty. Clear up the mumbly jumbly and tell us whats “real”?
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Old 01-29-2019, 11:22 AM
 
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Nah, bunch of mumbly jumbly. Once you've seen one you know it's real.
So you can tell the difference between a demon and a real extraterrestrial alien?
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Old 01-29-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Yep, I agree he does a great job of laying out the argument for UFO activity being demonic in nature. This is just an hypothesis that was put forward by Fr. Rose in one of his books. Orthodox Christians can believe this or not, it's Fr. Rose's speculation and not an official statement of the Orthodox Church (or of the jurisidiction he belonged to, the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia). Hieromonk Rose (who wrote this) is by the way considered a saint by some Orthodox (though I don't belong to that camp). But some of his writings are controversial - like his defense of the aerial tollhouses, the belief that the soul spends 40 days after death passing through a series of tests, which many Orthodox reject.
I liked their explanation on those older UFO reports from the 50s and 60s, where the craft would land and encounters with the occupants would take place, or they would see the occupants taking soil, plant samples, or working on the ship, etc. and how those types of sightings are rare today, it has shifted to the next 'phase'. That aspect was not something I ever considered, its extremely clever!


Plus, this explains why the secrecy around the topic is so aggressive and tough, govts of the world would have an easier time explaining to the public if they were just beings from another planet...trying to explain something like this to the public, while at the same time, assuring them govt can keep them safe, would be very difficult if not impossible.
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Old 01-29-2019, 11:31 AM
 
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I liked their explanation on those older UFO reports from the 50s and 60s, where the craft would land and encounters with the occupants would take place, or they would see the occupants taking soil, plant samples, or working on the ship, etc. and how those types of sightings are rare today, it has shifted to the next 'phase'. That aspect was not something I ever considered, its extremely clever!

Plus, this explains why the secrecy around the topic is so aggressive and tough, govts of the world would have an easier time explaining to the public if they were just beings from another planet...trying to explain something like this to the public, while at the same time, assuring them govt can keep them safe, would be very difficult if not impossible.
Those who have problems with the word "demons" in the article can just replace it with "extra-dimensional beings" or "multiverse inhabitants". Which would make it equally difficult to explain to the public.
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Old 01-29-2019, 11:38 AM
 
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Weather balloons.
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Old 01-29-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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Well, now you may have an idea of why Russia has always been behind the West. The standard excuse is the Mongol invasion and dominance of the country for however long it lasted. If that doesn't convince people, WWI and WWII are thrown in for good measure.

Historians say, however, that it was the conservative influence of the Church that has held Russia back, historically. Kinda like how the Catholic Church held Europe back during the centuries of the Inquisition, and how the Buddhist theocracy in Tibet held Tibet way back; the theocracy wouldn't even allow use of the wheel within the borders of the Tibetan heartland.
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:45 PM
 
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Well, now you may have an idea of why Russia has always been behind the West. The standard excuse is the Mongol invasion and dominance of the country for however long it lasted. If that doesn't convince people, WWI and WWII are thrown in for good measure.
Orthodox clergy was slaughtered after the Bolshevik revolution, and most churches were closed. Belief was suppressed in schools and Marxism raised up as a sort of state religion. Yeah, Russia did really well after Orthodoxy was suppressed by the atheists.

"We are surrounded by the greens (we pack it to them), we will move only about 10-20 versty and we will choke by hand the bourgeoisie, the clergy and the landowners. There will be an award of 100,000 rubles for each one hanged." -- Vladimir Lenin

A sampler of 20th century Russian Orthodox scientists, engineers, and mathematicians:
  • Igor Sikorsky - engineer, inventor of the helicopter
  • Abram Besicovitch - researcher in probability theory
  • Nikolay Bogolyubov - theoretical physicist and mathematician
  • Theodosius Dobzhansky - biologist, architect of the neo-Darwinian synthesis
  • Pavel Florensky - research on dielectrics, philosopher, mathematician
  • Dmitri Mendeleev - formulated the periodic table of elements
  • Alexander Popov - inventor, developed radio receiver at same time as Marconi
Religion has little to do with any backwardness in the history of Russia. Russia was in large part a feudal culture until the Bolsheviks took over, except for the cities which had been more modernized in the wake of Peter the Great's 18th century reforms.
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