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Old 11-18-2019, 01:37 AM
 
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Now it seems it was NOT sanctioned at all.

FOIA documents received by the Black Vault confirm that
1) Final clearance had not been given for the 3 videos FLIR1, Gimbal, & Tic_tac/GoFast (Obviously a Government/Navy mixup)
2) Navy says Mr. Luis Elizondo had “no responsibilities” within the AATIP program

Link to The Black Vault Go there to read more and see the original FOIA releases.

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Multiple statements and written records now show that the approval required for “public release” never took place, and the claims by TTSA that the videos represent, “official evidence released by the US government,” remain unfounded.

This new information comes amidst a flurry of other official comments complicating the claims of TTSA. In May of this year, The Black Vault began receiving the first statements from the Pentagon indicating the “FLIR1,” “Gimbal” and “GoFast” videos were not cleared for public release, despite the claims of TTSA. In June, Keith Kloor with The Intercept received a statement from the Pentagon that Mr. Luis Elizondo had “no responsibilities” within the AATIP program, despite the widespread published claims by TTSA that he headed it. A 2009 letter by Senator Harry Reid was quickly touted by some to claim Mr. Elizondo’s story was in fact true; however the Pentagon quickly countered with official statements issued to The Black Vault stating that the letter’s existence did not change their stance.
TTSA has not commented on these allegations.

The Navy designates the objects contained in these videos as "unidentified aerial phenomena.”
Mr. Elizondo described the videos also as “UAV [unmanned aerial vehicle], Balloons, and other UAS [unmanned aerial system].”
Notice the difference in terminology and I think it is easy for someone, somewhere to substitute one term for the other leading to confusion. But what of the AATIP program and the Navy's comment about Luis Elizondo? I think we have to examine the wording of the comments and read between the lines. What is a "responsibility" as far as the Navy goes? Basically, they are denying he had anything to do with AATIP - or are they?

original 2017 New York Times article about AATIP

Maybe of interest as to what AATIP was working on...
The Government’s Secret UFO Program Funded Research on Wormholes and Extra Dimensions
Documents
released by the Department of Defense reveal some of what its infamous Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was working on.

From another angle, there are some veterans who say they experienced the confiscation of the data relating to these and other UAPs.

As mentioned earlier on this thread, back in March/April 2019, we had information released that the Navy would be issuing new guidelines on how to report unidentified objects (presumably both sub-surface and in the air)

So where does all this mix-up leave us?

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Old 11-18-2019, 01:46 AM
 
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Now it seems it was NOT sanctioned at all.

FOIA documents received by the Black Vault confirm that
1) Final clearance had not been given for the 3 videos FLIR1, Gimbal, & Tic_tac/GoFast (Obviously a Government/Navy mixup)
2) Navy says Mr. Luis Elizondo had “no responsibilities” within the AATIP program

Link to The Black Vault Go there to read more and see the original FOIA releases.

TTSA has not commented on these allegations.

The Navy designates the objects contained in these videos as "unidentified aerial phenomena.”
Mr. Elizondo described the videos also as “UAV [unmanned aerial vehicle], Balloons, and other UAS [unmanned aerial system].”
Notice the difference in terminology and I think it is easy for someone, somewhere to substitute one term for the other leading to confusion. But what of the AATIP program and the Navy's comment about Luis Elizondo? I think we have to examine the wording of the comments and read between the lines. What is a "responsibility" as far as the Navy goes? Basically, they are denying he had anything to do with AATIP - or are they?

original 2017 New York Times article about AATIP

From another angle, there are some veterans who say they experienced the confiscation of the data relating to these and other UAPs.

As mentioned earlier on this thread, back in March/April 2019, we had information released that the Navy would be issuing new guidelines on how to report unidentified objects (presumably both sub-surface and in the air)

So where does all this mix-up leave us?
Well, if they are claiming these videos were never authorized for the public to see...there must be something about them, that they do not want the public to see.


Personally, I like the 30 minute video from the ships intelligence officer and the radio communications that went on between the ship, the fighter jets, etc on that day, it puts the incident into much better perspective. The ship had been tracking these objects for a few days, they were popping in and out of the radar, apparently the 'tic tac' craft was just one craft, there was a much larger craft stirring just beneath the surface of the water that day.
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Old 11-18-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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It seems to me, that if these things are secret military craft, then why are they moving around in the area of navy ships where they will almost certainly be seen by the officer on watch - which they are. If they are military, the size of some of them must mean there are many crew members inside and normal military gossip would probably have let the cat out of the bag by now.

So does this mean they belong to a secret project, another country or to ET himself?
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Old 11-18-2019, 11:08 PM
 
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It seems to me, that if these things are secret military craft, then why are they moving around in the area of navy ships where they will almost certainly be seen by the officer on watch - which they are. If they are military, the size of some of them must mean there are many crew members inside and normal military gossip would probably have let the cat out of the bag by now.

So does this mean they belong to a secret project, another country or to ET himself?
Right, they do not fly experimental or test aircraft in the vicinity of active military vessels, this is why places like Area 51 are so remote, no one for miles and miles, lessens the chance of an enemy seeing the craft (thats what they are trying to avoid).


And if an experimental aircraft some how ever did mistakenly enter into the vicinity where active military aircraft are being used, they would definitely alert the ship and let them know they are in the area, so they dont risk being shot at.
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Old Yesterday, 03:34 AM
 
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These days they do not shoot at unknown craft, do they?

For example: In the middle of the ocean and a Russian/Chinese craft came towards a navy ship, they are not going to start a war by firing on it and bringing it down, are they?

I mean, it is in the middle of the ocean and away from any country, or even if it was near the US, would they really fire on it?
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Old Yesterday, 05:29 AM
 
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These days they do not shoot at unknown craft, do they?

For example: In the middle of the ocean and a Russian/Chinese craft came towards a navy ship, they are not going to start a war by firing on it and bringing it down, are they?

I mean, it is in the middle of the ocean and away from any country, or even if it was near the US, would they really fire on it?
There are at least four countries currently working on top secret hypersonic missile systems: https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/m...onic-missiles/. The fastest of those will be able to achieve speeds of March 20. None of these countries will simply hand you the details of their research.

We also love to test each other's systems; if possible without starting a war. That is how we create better systems when we know how our opponents will react. It's similar to when we sailed our ships close to the new Chinese island bases. Sometime nations will take a chance just to see what to expect and how to counter the response.

I still think that there are countries working to project holographic pictures of UFO's simply to test another countries resolve and weapon response.
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Old Yesterday, 12:54 PM
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Is this show coming back for a second season?
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Old Today, 03:57 AM
 
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There are at least four countries currently working on top secret hypersonic missile systems: https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/m...onic-missiles/. The fastest of those will be able to achieve speeds of March 20. None of these countries will simply hand you the details of their research.

We also love to test each other's systems; if possible without starting a war. That is how we create better systems when we know how our opponents will react. It's similar to when we sailed our ships close to the new Chinese island bases. Sometime nations will take a chance just to see what to expect and how to counter the response.

I still think that there are countries working to project holographic pictures of UFO's simply to test another countries resolve and weapon response.
Can we really go at Mach 20 with (ram)jet engines ? That would need some other technology - perhaps the kind we see in these UFO craft?

Taking chances is like Russian Roulette, starting a war is not a small thing particularly with the ones who have nukes.

Latest hologram technology is all about seeing, hearing and feeling the hologram. It is still in research though but wont be long before they develop it further.

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